Re-2005,Yak-3,G-55 fiat,Bf-109 G-10, fighters to have

[alpini13]

Yes,the re-2005...first,then the yak-3,g-55,and bf109 variants..RE2005 Italy's most beautiful and best series 5 fighter plane .A real combat fighter that saw service in WW2 with italian airforces both defore and after sept 1943,and luftwaffe.It was made in the same numbers as the TA-152,and had more confirmed air combat kills that the p-47m and ta-152 combined.
   Its funny to me, how some of the best foreign fighters are excluded in a game dominated by fighters,like the yak-3,re-2205,g-55 fiat,bf-109 g-10 w/20mm,bf109 k-4 w/20mm,what are you all afraid of?  shutting me up maybe? :headscratch:or getting some great foreign rides ?
Specifications General characteristics

Crew: 1
Length: 873 cm (28 ft 7.7 in) ()
Wingspan: 1,100 cm (36 ft 1.1 in) ()
Height: 315 cm (10 ft 4.0 in) ()
Wing area: 20.4 m2 (219.6 sq ft) ()
Empty weight: 2,600 kg (5,730 lb) ()
Loaded weight: 3,610 kg (7,960 lb) ()
Powerplant: 1× Fiat R.A. 1050 RC 58 Tifone, (license built DB 605A-1), 1,475 PS (1,085 kW; 1,455 hp) [15] ()
Performance

Never exceed speed: 980 km/h (609 mph)
Maximum speed:

628 km/h (390 mph) at 2,000 m (6,600 ft),
678 km/h (421 mph) at 7,000 m (23,000 ft) [15]
Cruise speed: 515 km/h (320 mph)
Stall speed: 155 km/h (96 mph) ()
Range: 980 km (610 mi) on internal fuel (1,130 km (700 mi) w/ 300 L drop tank; 1,270 km (790 mi) w/ 300 L + 2 × 150 L drop tanks)
Service ceiling: 11,500 m (37,700 ft) ()
Rate of climb: 20 m/s (3,900 ft/min) (6,000 m in 6.5 min)
Wing loading: max. 177 kg/m² (36.25 lb/sq ft) ()
Armament


Guns:

2 × 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine guns in upper cowling (350rpm);
1 × 20 mm MG 151 cannon firing through propeller hub (150rpm);
2 × 20 mm MG 151 cannon in wings (200rpm)
Bombs:

Underfuselage (non standard) hardpoint 1,000 kg (2,200 lb) bomb or 1 × 300 L (79.3 US gal) drop tank
Hardpoints on wings: 160 kilograms (350 lb) bombs or 2 × 150 litres (39.6 US gal) drop tanks

[Karnak]

Why ask for fighters that played no role when you can ask for things like the CR.42, C.200, Re2000 and G.50?

As to the Bf109G-10, why?  What does it add to the game?  It fills no gap at all.  There are certainly Bf109s that would be nice to have, but the Bf109G-10 is not one of them.


Yak-3 would be nice though.

[alpini13]

wow,these are great planes,as for the last comment...i dont think the ta-152,p-47m had too much impact on the war,if any at all,as a matter of fact historians always cite the fact that while the german jet and rocket planes were an incredible achievement,they had little or no impact on the war...oh. and they actually cite the fact that more people died building and testing the  me163 than killed in combat.  we have the those aircraft in the game,we should have these as well.
  As for the bf-109 g-10.it actually became operational after the bf-109 k-4.and was considered the BEST of the G model bf-109's.....another Best aircraft we dont have. you guys can argue all day long.At the end of the day this country is about freedom..freedom of choice for one.and suppresion of real aircraft that were at the time considered the best in the line is a slap in the face to all those who fought in them and against them,and to the concept of freedom in the USA.freedom to choose what we fly.

[oakranger]

wow,these are great planes,as for the last comment...i dont think the ta-152,p-47m had too much impact on the war,if any at all,as a matter of fact historians always cite the fact that while the german jet and rocket planes were an incredible achievement,they had little or no impact on the war...oh. and they actually cite the fact that more people died building and testing the  me163 than killed in combat.  we have the those aircraft in the game,we should have these as well.
  As for the bf-109 g-10.it actually became operational after the bf-109 k-4.and was considered the BEST of the G model bf-109's.....another Best aircraft we dont have. you guys can argue all day long.At the end of the day this country is about freedom..freedom of choice for one.and suppresion of real aircraft that were at the time considered the best in the line is a slap in the face to all those who fought in them and against them,and to the concept of freedom in the USA.freedom to choose what we fly.

You are really pushing it with the freedom on the BBS.

[Karnak]

The difference between the G.55 and Re2005 as compared to the Ta152 and the P-47M is that the Ta152 mostly uses Fw190D-9 art and the P-47M uses 100% P-47D art, so they were cheap variants to add.  The G.55 and Re2005 would both be just as much work to add as, say, a Ki-43.

As you say, the Bf109G-10 fills no gap as it entered service after the superior Bf109K-4, and that was my point.  We don't need a post-Bf109K-4 109, we need a Bf109G that can fight effectively at 20-30 thousand feet that entered service significantly before the Bf109K-4.  Basically we need a Bf109G-6/AS or Bf109G-14/AS.

[oakranger]

The difference between the G.55 and Re2005 as compared to the Ta152 and the P-47M is that the Ta152 mostly uses Fw190D-9 art and the P-47M uses 100% P-47D art, so they were cheap variants to add.  The G.55 and Re2005 would both be just as much work to add as, say, a Ki-43.

As you say, the Bf109G-10 fills no gap as it entered service after the superior Bf109K-4, and that was my point.  We don't need a post-Bf109K-4 109, we need a Bf109G that can fight effectively at 20-30 thousand feet that entered service significantly before the Bf109K-4.  Basically we need a Bf109G-6/AS or Bf109G-14/AS.

Was there a post or two regareds to the G10?  And was it said what you are saying now?  And did we had the G-10 in the game about seven years ago?

, you might want to do some search for threads regarding G-10.  We have a few knolagable people on the BBS that can tell you a lot more about it then what you know.

[Karnak]

Oakranger,

We never really had a Bf109G-10.  We had a Bf109K-4 that was labeled as a Bf109G-10 so that HTC could put the 20mm hub gun on it.  When they remodeled the Bf109s to AH2 standards they got a lot more strict in keeping aircraft historical.  That is also why the Spitfire Mk IX lost its .50 cal option and the option to carry rockets and 250lb bombs under the wings.

[oakranger]

Oakranger,

We never really had a Bf109G-10.  We had a Bf109K-4 that was labeled as a Bf109G-10 so that HTC could put the 20mm hub gun on it.  When they remodeled the Bf109s to AH2 standards they got a lot more strict in keeping aircraft historical.  That is also why the Spitfire Mk IX lost its .50 cal option and the option to carry rockets and 250lb bombs under the wings.

thanks for clearing that up.   

[EagleDNY]

Just from a strict WW2 air history geek perspective, I'd like to see the "uber" ride for each of the major powers in the game.  To finish out the Italian plane set in that respect, we probably should have the Re.2005, but it should fill the role as the perked Italian ride.  The G.55 would be a fine choice as far more were produced - and we have not even had the debate as to which model of the G.55 would be best.  There was an "O" model with 1 x 20mm & 4 MGs, an "I" model with 3 x 20mm & 2 MGs, and a few other variants that flew in '44 (after the Italian surrender) as well. 

The 109 set has plenty of stuff in it already.  I don't see the need for the G-10 at all.  I'd rather see some tweaking of the entire line by having the MG151 20mms fire at the correct ROF and I like the idea up the thread for having the 109G14 modeled with the higher performance DB605/ASM as we could definitely use 109s with better high altitude performance for B-29 hunting. 

Yak 3 would be an interesting addition as well, although I wonder if anything can get people out of their La-7s. 

[Chewie]

I would like the Yak 3 myself. 

[alpini13]

thanks guys,the point here is some of these aircraft were great rides,and it would be nice to have them,they are historical aircraft that served in ww2,
   As for someone saying they wernt made in quantities...put it all in perspective,the italian industry didnt make lots of tanks,or trucks,or ships,or planes. when you take total production of c-205,g-55,and re-2005 and combine them.you can see that the re-2005(of which is the least produced of three) make up about 9% of production.....in terms of bf 109 production of 20,000 plus aircraft 9% is a large number,etc etc. these made up a substantial number of production quantities and man hours in the italian industry...if we cant have these,why do we have the Ostwind of which only 45 were produced.or the wirlblewind of which only 80-105 were produced,they did not alter the war sugnificantly.the axis had other antiair vehicles made in more substantial numbers.

[EggsRus]

plus 1 for all planes

[Butcher]

plus 1 for all planes

Agreed, I posted a thread about the G.55 - I know its been asked a few times, however I am choosing the G.55 based on being a Late war Ride, it would be flown more then say something mid war like a P39. True its a stop gap for Scenarios, however you don't see many P39s in the Late War Arena.
I figure on betting people will more likely up a G.55, and hoping people would vote on it rather then another early war ride.

[Karnak]

As for someone saying they wernt made in quantities...put it all in perspective,the italian industry didnt make lots of tanks,or trucks,or ships,or planes. when you take total production of c-205,g-55,and re-2005 and combine them.you can see that the re-2005(of which is the least produced of three) make up about 9% of production.

When you cherry pick data like that you are effectively lying.  You can't just pick the 5 series fighters and hand wave the 0 and 2 series fighters out of existence to make it look like the Re2005 and G55 were more significant than they were.

Wikipedia's production numbers of Italian fighters:

C.200: 1153
CR.42: 1817
G.50: 791
Re2000: 180
Re2001: 252
C.202: 1200
Re2002: 225
C.205: 262
G.55: 274 (75 more post war)
Re2005: 48

[BnZs]

Regarding the Yak-3...this has been done to death. It would be almost identical to the Yak-9.