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Re: B-25J
« Reply #45 on: September 12, 2011, 01:06:56 AM »
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Re: B-25J
« Reply #46 on: September 12, 2011, 01:26:04 AM »
This is why I want a B-25J. Sooo many guns.

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The B-25J was one of my favorite planes. :)


Also, just curious, wasn't there a version of the B-25C that had a ball turret?
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Re: B-25J
« Reply #47 on: September 12, 2011, 03:20:56 AM »
yup. its official. after seeing that picture, ive come to the general conclusion that we need this
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Re: B-25J
« Reply #48 on: September 12, 2011, 12:09:03 PM »
The B-25J was one of my favorite planes. :)


Also, just curious, wasn't there a version of the B-25C that had a ball turret?

Yes the B-25's up to the C/D model had a ventral turret with two .50's in it.  The problem was the turret was too small to carry a crew member so the turret was controlled remotely by a gunner kneeling on the bottom of the aircraft looking through a periscope.    I've been told the British had more luck with it than the Americans but I haven't read any RAF accounts.  The stories I've read from US crew members seem that the setup was nearly universally hated, difficult to operate and track a target and usually just succeeded in making the gunner nauseous with vertigo, in many cases they were removed in the field.

A quote from Harold Maul who served with the 5th Air Force in the SW Pacific had the following to say.
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The worst thing ever designed was the bottom turret on the B-25.  It was the stupidest bit of equipment. My God, the operator is sitting on one place getting a reverse image through the mirror.  He couldn't hit a thing.  It slowed the damned plane down, and we weren't getting belly attacks anyway.  What they really needed was a rear gun, which they eventually installed."
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Re: B-25J
« Reply #49 on: September 12, 2011, 01:34:20 PM »
Thanks Soulyss,

I knew I heard something about it somewhere.  :)
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Re: B-25J
« Reply #50 on: September 12, 2011, 01:39:50 PM »
This is why I want a B-25J. Sooo many guns.

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wait, the c model has 10 guns up front doesn't it?
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« Reply #51 on: September 12, 2011, 02:43:32 PM »
wait, the c model has 10 guns up front doesn't it?

No, the C/D model strafer 25's had 8 guns up front, four in the front/bombadier position and two each on either side of the fuselage beneath the cockpit.  

The last two were in the top turret but it was mounted two far aft to be brought to bear in a strafing attack.
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« Reply #52 on: September 12, 2011, 02:53:16 PM »
No, the C/D model strafer 25's had 8 guns up front, four in the front/bombadier position and two each on either side of the fuselage beneath the cockpit.  

The last two were in the top turret but it was mounted two far aft to be brought to bear in a strafing attack.
ok, i was looking at the 25c in ah which shows 2 sets of 10 guns and 1 set of 4 guns. didn't consider the turret as being part of the gun package.
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Re: B-25J
« Reply #53 on: September 13, 2011, 12:02:29 AM »
The tail gun alone is a reason worth adding this thing. It should be modeled just like the -C model. A strafer version and a glass nose version with bombsight
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Re: B-25J
« Reply #54 on: September 13, 2011, 11:40:01 AM »
Sorry, I should of clarified while posting this thread, I am wishing for the glass nose version of the B-25J. I really wanted to see another B-25 added that had a decent amount of protection/formations.  I really think that the B-25J would be used quite a bit in Late War Main Arena. Although, I could be wrong.  :) It really is a beautiful aircraft in my opinion, One of my favorite medium bombers during WWII.
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Re: B-25J
« Reply #55 on: September 13, 2011, 02:58:20 PM »
One of my favorite medium bombers during WWII.

Agreed. The only thing ranking higher than the Mitchell is the Marauder. Cooler name, and much faster and sleek lookin  :airplane:. Both are magnificent bombers!
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Re: B-25J
« Reply #56 on: September 14, 2011, 06:03:58 PM »
Yes the B-25's up to the C/D model had a ventral turret with two .50's in it.  The problem was the turret was too small to carry a crew member so the turret was controlled remotely by a gunner kneeling on the bottom of the aircraft looking through a periscope.    I've been told the British had more luck with it than the Americans but I haven't read any RAF accounts.  The stories I've read from US crew members seem that the setup was nearly universally hated, difficult to operate and track a target and usually just succeeded in making the gunner nauseous with vertigo, in many cases they were removed in the field.

A quote from Harold Maul who served with the 5th Air Force in the SW Pacific had the following to say.
A part of that quote points out the main difference between RL WWII japanese b25 attack methods, and AH's attack method. where he says they werent getting attacks under the bomber.


In AH. Whenever you up a C. Most people will simply Hide under it, out of range of the top turret. And you can pull up to an angle where you can get a good burst into the plane without the top turret ever being able to reach you.

Sure you can tilt the bomber, but that still isent very effective.

I think the ball turret would be very successful in AH. It DID see action on combat b25s and was not a field mod. so it Does deserve to be added and modeled. whether used or not.

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Re: B-25J
« Reply #57 on: September 14, 2011, 06:10:33 PM »
A part of that quote points out the main difference between RL WWII japanese b25 attack methods, and AH's attack method. where he says they werent getting attacks under the bomber.


In AH. Whenever you up a C. Most people will simply Hide under it, out of range of the top turret. And you can pull up to an angle where you can get a good burst into the plane without the top turret ever being able to reach you.

Sure you can tilt the bomber, but that still isent very effective.

I think the ball turret would be very successful in AH. It DID see action on combat b25s and was not a field mod. so it Does deserve to be added and modeled. whether used or not.
didnt they take the belly turret off of some B25's because it was causing sea sickness and filled the ball turret with puke? i read that on a google search earlier but not really sure...

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Re: B-25J
« Reply #58 on: September 14, 2011, 07:01:06 PM »
didnt they take the belly turret off of some B25's because it was causing sea sickness and filled the ball turret with puke? i read that on a google search earlier but not really sure...
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Re: B-25J
« Reply #59 on: September 14, 2011, 07:06:11 PM »
I do not believe that any B-25 ever had a ball turret.
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