Thoughts on a different type of dueling competition.

[BnZs]

It was more the idea of the unknown and the gamble I was trying to get at, and a somewhat fair way to use different aircraft.

Some aircraft are plainly better "duellists" than others but I know of no objective way to exactly measure the extent to which one is better than the other objectively and "handicap" the scoring system fairly.

Also, I doubt the "scoring system" would see much use in the case of extreme disparity in plane duelling utility. Simply put, from a neutral start with two competent duellists at the control, you'd see a significantly disadvantage "duelling" plane win so seldom it would hardly matter.

[Debrody]

Its basically a brilliant idea, but needs a couple additional rules to improve it.
First of all, the ENY system has anomalies, the K4 and its 20 eny is a joke, pretty much the same story with the ki-84. There would be real popular rides, but it may ba not a problem.
Then: what if the first one chooses the spit16 and the second one chooses the b-stang or the dora? That would be an endless runaway til the spit16 runs out of gas, and we all know how boring that is. But in the other hand, if there would be KOTH rules just like no more than 30 secs of extending, the a6m2 would rule the world since it can hang on the prop for a long time and can turn like crazy.
GL 

[BnZs]

Its basically a brilliant idea, but needs a couple additional rules to improve it.
First of all, the ENY system has anomalies, the K4 and its 20 eny is a joke, pretty much the same story with the ki-84. There would be real popular rides, but it may ba not a problem.
Then: what if the first one chooses the spit16 and the second one chooses the b-stang or the dora? That would be an endless runaway til the spit16 runs out of gas, and we all know how boring that is. But in the other hand, if there would be KOTH rules just like no more than 30 secs of extending, the a6m2 would rule the world since it can hang on the prop for a long time and can turn like crazy.
GL 

Good reason to keep the duels co-plane.

Possibly look at making sure there is a balance of firepower types in each match. What I mean is, a duel where each plane carries 4 Hispanos is going to be approached differently than one in which each plane has 4 .30s.

[dedalos]

"Extending" works best in LALA. Unfortunately my memory doesn't allow for return. Haters everywhere 

Carp, I have to agree with you on that one.

[Lepape2]

Agree with the ENY problem here. The ENY is innacurate in a duel probably due its consideration of ords carrying ability,  top speed , fuel load, etc... all irrelevant in a dogfight.
The whole ENY tables for all fighter available for such duels must be revised (Via a commitee or votes/poll). This new ENY value will only take into consideration the dogfighting ability of each rides.

EX:
A6M2 (20 ENY)
VS
F4U1A (15 ENY)

or

P47M (15 ENY)
VS
P47D11(20 ENY)

or

La7 (5 ENY)
VS
109K4 (10 ENY)

These examples really are EXAMPLES!!!  

EDIT: We could also try to use eny values greater than 40...

[hitech]

Have you considered the potential for abuse?

2 players duel twice both in the same plane each win one fight each come out with 1 point.

2 Players dual in dis like planes say 50 ENY and 1 ENY.  Each win one fight each come out with 50 points.

HiTech

[JOACH1M]

In terms of ENY, and 109 series is FUBAR. 109f has same ENY as 109g6,  g2, and the g14 is 25? the k4 should be 15. G14 20, 109g6 g2 should be 30 109f 35

[Lepape2]

Have you considered the potential for abuse?

2 players duel twice both in the same plane each win one fight each come out with 1 point.

2 Players dual in dis like planes say 50 ENY and 1 ENY.  Each win one fight each come out with 50 points.

HiTech

The total amount of points would remain inside the total amount aquired during a particular round. So if lets say PLAYER1 has 100points and wins after 5 or more duels, he will still get for example 3 points the in the general score board and PLAYER2 zero points. Or, instead of being a cumulative tournament, proceed by elimination like the dueling league tournament.

Also, the OP saying 5 duels will make up for the randomness of plane assignments can only work 100% if both parties fight like HiTech inferred to ( EX: K4 VS P51 and then P51 VS K4) because that will otherwise leave too much room for unfair and unlucky outcomes throughout the tournament unless about 10 matches per rounds are done... but that would take too much time and leave too many time constraints on participants.

[hitech]

The total amount of points would remain inside the total amount aquired during a particular round. So if lets say PLAYER1 has 100points and wins after 5 or more duels, he will still get for example 3 points the in the general score board and PLAYER2 zero points. Or, instead of being a cumulative tournament, proceed by elimination like the dueling league tournament.

Also, the OP saying 5 duels will make up for the randomness of plane assignments can only work 100% if both parties fight like HiTech inferred to ( EX: K4 VS P51 and then P51 VS K4) because that will otherwise leave too much room for unfair and unlucky outcomes throughout the tournament unless about 10 matches per rounds are done... but that would take too much time and leave too many time constraints on participants.

The quantity of fights per match between players is not the issue, you have the same problem. BTW I assume we are not talking tournament but rather round robin?

The only way it would work is if you also loose points when you are defeated.

HiTech

[sunfan1121]

Another fun way to handicap another player is to blow all the cannon and only use bb's.

[Lusche]

In terms of ENY, and 109 series is FUBAR. 109f has same ENY as 109g6,  g2, and the g14 is 25? the k4 should be 15. G14 20, 109g6 g2 should be 30 109f 35

Once G14 and K4 had both 20. I had the opinion they should be different by about 5 (the higher speed of the K-4 is a major asset in the MA), but was very surprised to see the G-14 go 25 instead of the K-4 going 15. Currently the 109's are perk farmers second to none in my book
But I do think G-2 and F-4 can have the same ENY, while the G-2 has some advantage in speed & climbrate, the F-4 turns better. None of them should be ever above 30.

[Vuokko]

In our meeting we had little different dueling rules than usually, but it only is doable when you are in same place.

The more drunk you were, the better plane you could chose for fight.

Don't know if our breathalyzer was calibrated like it should, not many other planes were used than Spit16, and it was in our last (most drunk) category....

[BnZs]

Disregarding for a moment the question of whether or not ENY accurately reflects fighter effectiveness, if one wanted to incorporate something like this, perhaps it could best be done in a KOTH style format, but with unlimited lives-the winner being the player who accumulates the biggest pile of perks over the course of say a half hour.

[StokesAk]

How about having a rubric to determine a point value given to certain aircraft based on several aspects of it such as speed, turning, climb rate, acceleration, and firepower.

This would be complicated to produce, but it would put an accurate point value on a plane better than ENY, I.E. Spit5 would have a higher point value than a P51 because it can turn better and has better guns

Here is an example:
Speed @ 2,000ft


-300                   1 pt.
300-325              2 pts.
326-350              3 pts.
351-375              4 pts.
375-400              5 pts.
400+                  6 pts.

These values are skewed, but hopefully you can get a general gist of what I am saying.