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Offline iron650

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Re: He177
« Reply #30 on: May 15, 2011, 06:07:33 PM »
Quote from: iron650 on May 15, 2011, 04:23:27 PM
We need a German bomber that's not outclassed.

I was meaning a bomber that's not easy to shoot down like the easily outclassed Stuka or the faster Ju88.
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Re: He177
« Reply #31 on: May 15, 2011, 06:08:25 PM »
Quote from: iron650 on May 15, 2011, 04:23:27 PM
We need a German bomber that's not outclassed.
Why?

Besides that, I don't think that the Ju188 or Do217 are really outclassed in any case.
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Re: He177
« Reply #32 on: May 15, 2011, 06:09:58 PM »
Quote from: Karnak on May 15, 2011, 06:08:25 PM
Why?

Besides that, I don't think that the Ju188 or Do217 are really outclassed in any case.


I agree it's just we need a less outclassed German bomber.  :salute
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Re: He177
« Reply #33 on: May 15, 2011, 06:16:20 PM »
Quote from: iron650 on May 15, 2011, 01:31:16 PM

How about the B-29 it's engines commonly burst into flames after landing. Me163, too would explode on landings often.

Had an older fella come into the shop last week who after a little discussion turned out to be a mechanic who worked on B-29s.

I asked him about 29 engines being prone to fires, he said he had never seen that.

The only fire he remembers was on a 29 that was set up as a refueling plane.
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Re: He177
« Reply #34 on: May 15, 2011, 06:18:23 PM »
Quote from: 1Boner on May 15, 2011, 06:16:20 PM
Had an older fella come into the shop last week who after a little discussion turned out to be a mechanic who worked on B-29s.

I asked him about 29 engines being prone to fires, he said he had never seen that.

The only fire he remembers was on a 29 that was set up as a refueling plane.


Odd I've seen footage of a B-29 after land burst into flames. In several documentaries they even mentioned that, too.
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Re: He177
« Reply #35 on: May 15, 2011, 06:19:20 PM »
Quote from: iron650 on May 15, 2011, 04:23:27 PM
We need a German bomber that's not outclassed.

Thats the Ar-234. 
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Re: He177
« Reply #36 on: May 15, 2011, 06:19:47 PM »
Quote from: iron650 on May 15, 2011, 06:18:23 PM

Odd I've seen footage of a B-29 after land burst into flames. In several documentaries they even mentioned that, too.

It was a quote from one guy---I never said it didn't happen.

However it may not have been as prevelent as rumour would have it.
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Re: He177
« Reply #37 on: May 15, 2011, 06:26:49 PM »
Quote from: EagleDNY on May 15, 2011, 06:19:20 PM
Thats the Ar-234. 

Maybe I should have added unperked. I'm rooting for a Do217 now. But it's still slower than a He177 at the altitude the 177 flew.
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Re: He177
« Reply #38 on: May 15, 2011, 06:34:10 PM »
My preference would be a Ju188A with the MG151/20 in the top turret.

You still haven't answered why we need a German bomber that isn't outclassed though.
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Re: He177
« Reply #39 on: May 15, 2011, 06:36:07 PM »
Fly a Stuka and Ju88 and see their defensive armament, plus the ease to kill them.
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Re: He177
« Reply #40 on: May 15, 2011, 06:42:34 PM »
Quote from: iron650 on May 15, 2011, 06:36:07 PM
Fly a Stuka and Ju88 and see their defensive armament, plus the ease to kill them.
And?  What does it matter?  Grab a B-17G, B-26B or Ki-67 then.
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Re: He177
« Reply #41 on: May 15, 2011, 06:49:57 PM »
Quote from: Karnak on May 15, 2011, 06:42:34 PM
And?  What does it matter?  Grab a B-17G, B-26B or Ki-67 then.

To some of us, it does. There are pure "german iron" squads as much as there are British or US "themed" ones, or players that do fly certain countries "theme tours".  We do have a vulnerable early war bomber and a perked late war bomber with somewhat limited usefulness. Would be nice to have another more survuvable mid war bomber covering the middle ground.
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Re: He177
« Reply #42 on: May 15, 2011, 06:56:01 PM »
Quote from: Lusche on May 15, 2011, 06:49:57 PM
To some of us, it does. There are pure "german iron" squads as much as there are British or US "themed" ones, or players that do fly certain countries "theme tours".  We do have a vulnerable early war bomber and a perked late war bomber with somewhat limited usefulness. Would be nice to have another more survuvable mid war bomber covering the middle ground.


I agree. The Stuka is too weak for the MA (often), the Ju88 is very weak defensively, the Ar234 is perked and only advantage is speed.

Quote from: Karnak on May 15, 2011, 06:42:34 PM
And?  What does it matter?  Grab a B-17G, B-26B or Ki-67 then.

Instead of flying the bombers when I had a German theme I flew a 110 because it was better to me.
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Re: He177
« Reply #43 on: May 15, 2011, 06:59:17 PM »
I am not saying that I don't want to see some of these, just trying to get you to look at the difference between "need" and "want".

If the Ju188 is added it will go on my "favorites" list and be one of the two unperked bombers I am likely to use.  I really want it added, but there is a difference between wanting it and needing it.
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Re: He177
« Reply #44 on: May 15, 2011, 07:00:06 PM »
Quote from: Karnak on May 15, 2011, 06:59:17 PM
I am not saying that I don't want to see some of these, just trying to get you to look at the difference between "need" and "want".

If the Ju188 is added it will go on my "favorites" list and be one of the two unperked bombers I am likely to use.  I really want it added, but there is a difference between wanting it and needing it.


In this case, we do not need any additional plane in a AH. There is also no "need" for a He 111. :)
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