La7 vs. Spit16

[JOACH1M]

Why is that I feel the LA if far superior to the spit 16? The La7 is both a runner and a fighter and its only 8 ENY? Why isn't it 5?

[Debrody]

Range. Its altitude performance is just "way above average", not clearly superior to everything else. Anyway i like the La's scissors against spit16s.
The La pretty much owns the niki (the other eny8 plane) in everything but range and ammo load.

[Rob52240]

La-7 goes from a 5 to a 20 ENY once you go above 7k feet or more than 10 miles from your airfield.

[STEELE]

La-7 goes from a 5 to a 20 ENY once you go above 7k feet or more than 10 miles from your airfield.

Yes. Above 8-9k feet La's performance drops way off.  Also the Spitfire climbs a good 500fpm faster at all altitudes, and the Hispano/M2 50cal gunpack is one of the easiest to use and get kills with in the game.  OTOH, La7 guns are all but worthless against fighters at ranges past 400-500, while the spit's Hizookas can easily blow your tailfeathers off at 800-1000. (not to mention the Sp16's rediculous "flopping fish" evasive rolls it can pull off.

[icepac]

I've run into a few la7s at 30k feet recently and they flew pretty well.

[SmokinLoon]

I've run into a few la7s at 30k feet recently and they flew pretty well.

Speed is one thing, maneuverability is something different.  Like many of the faster aircraft, it does not have the wings to do anything but go straight up that high.  A P47M will run circles around the La7 at 30k simply because the La7 can sustain the turns.  Wing design comes in to play in a major way up that high.

FWIW... the best altitude for speed in a La7 is at 20k, and that is 410mph.  There no real weak spot for speed in the La7, only handling and that is the higher it goes the worse it gets. 

[MachFly]

As mentioned above LA7 sucks above 5K, has limited range, and can't turn well.

Spit16 can turn a lot tighter, climb a lot faster, accelerate a lot faster, fight a lot higher (even though it's made for low alt), carry a drop tank, and carry ord. I think it should actually be perked as it's only disadvantage is the speed. Oh and it has a name "Spitfire" which automatically makes it good.

[Debrody]

For me the La turns just fine (down low of course). Has a decent turn radius and an acceptable turn rate, it can do very well against Jaks, p51s, jugs, p38s, 109s, 190s, even against f6fs and ki84s if you can force the downhill. Up to 9K its uncatchable (ok the 109K can catch it over 7K), and still above average up to 18-20k. I dont know much about the differences betweeh a SHVAKs and the HO-5 cannons, they feel good in the hitting power i just see a lil inaccuracy at 500+ ranges, true, not an 50cal or a hispano. It can dive, some dweebs use it like coming at 20k, then dive away when you equalize the energy states and run uncatchable no the deck... its eny8 for a good reason.

[MachFly]

For me the La turns just fine (down low of course). Has a decent turn radius and an acceptable turn rate, it can do very well against Jaks, p51s, jugs, p38s, 109s, 190s, even against f6fs and ki84s if you can force the downhill. Up to 9K its uncatchable (ok the 109K and Spit14 can catch it over 7K), and still above average up to 18-20k. I dont know much about the differences betweeh a SHVAKs and the HO-5 cannons, they feel good in the hitting power i just see a lil inaccuracy at 500+ ranges, true, not an 50cal or a hispano. It can dive, some dweebs use it like coming at 20k, then dive away when you equalize the energy states and run uncatchable no the deck... its eny8 for a good reason.

Fixed

[SmokinLoon]

As mentioned above LA7 sucks above 5K, has limited range, and can't turn well.

Spit16 can turn a lot tighter, climb a lot faster, accelerate a lot faster, fight a lot higher (even though it's made for low alt), carry a drop tank, and carry ord. I think it should actually be perked as it's only disadvantage is the speed. Oh and it has a name "Spitfire" which automatically makes it good.

Better double check that.  The climb rate of the La7 and gay16 are closer then you think.  Oh.. and the acceleration????  Double check that too.  

[MachFly]

Better double check that.  The climb rate of the La7 and gay16 are closer then you think.  Oh.. and the acceleration????  Double check that too.  

So you get an La7 to turn and bleed off his energy, than accelerate to your climb speed and start climbing. Climb for some time than feel free to BnZ him for as long as you want. That's if you are not capable of out maneuvering him.


Also I'd like to add that the Spitfire is capable of maintaining it's energy in turns a lot better.

[Lusche]

And the lower chart clearly illustrate that indeed the Spit doesn't accelerate "a lot faster" than the LA-7  

oh, and no, the L-7 doesn't "suck" above 5k, nor is "can't turn" anyway near the truth either

[MachFly]

And the lower chart clearly illustrate that indeed the Spit doesn't accelerate "a lot faster" than the LA-7  

oh, and no, the L-7 doesn't "suck" above 5k, nor is "can't turn" anyway near the truth either

It's the low speed acceleration that matters. As I explained above all you need is to accelerate to your Vy and La7 won't catch you.

I guess "suck" and being able to turn is a point of view, just depends what you compare it to. I can out turn a 747, it can't out turn a Spit16.  

[Lusche]

It's the low speed acceleration that matters.  

7.3 to 7.7 seconds...  

I guess "suck" and being able to turn is a point of view, just depends what you compare it to. I can out turn a 747, it can't out turn a Spit16.  

But you didn't compare, you made a flat out statement "the La 7 can't turn"
In fact, while of course not being a Zeke, it's still one of the better turners in game.

[MachFly]

7.3 to 7.7 seconds...  

That's 150 to 200, there is a bigger difference from 100 to 200. I'll do a specific test for the numbers later in the day.  


And milliseconds count  

But you didn't compare, you made a flat out statement "the La 7 can't turn"
In fact, while of course not being a Zeke, it's still one of the better turners in game.

Were comparing Spit16 and La7, if we were comparing a B-17 and an La-7 I would have said that the B-17 can't turn (it's all relative).
Most fighters (if not all) of La-7's size and weight are capable of out turning it.