Re.2005

[iron650]

The Italian fighter/bombers were evaluated in Guidono. An Re.2005 from there was claimed to shoot down 1 B-24 and 4 probables. They later claimed 7 B-24s and many claimed kills didn't compare to the real losses. Later, they claimed 5 Spitfires. They were very compression-resistant. One pilot claimed 980km/h in a single dive. It was named the most beautiful pane of the Second World War apparently.

Characteristics:
Crew: 1
Length: 28ft 7.7in
Wingspan: 36ft 1.1in
Height: 10ft 4in
Wingarea: 219.6 sq ft.
Empty weight: 5,730lbs
Loaded weight: 7,960lbs
Engine: 1× Fiat R.A. 1050 RC 58 Tifone, 1,455 hp
Armament: 2 upper cowling 12.7mm Breda MGs
1 20mm MG151 in propeller hub
2 20mm MG151 in the wings

Performance:
Do not exceed: 980km/h (609mph)
Max speed: 628km/h (390mph) at 6,600ft
Cruise speed: 515km/h (320mph)
Stall speed: 155km/h (96mph)
Max range: 980km (610mi) on internal fuel

Rate of climb: 3,900ft/min

Bombs, Droptanks, etc:
2,000lb bomb under fuselage
1 300L drop tank (79.95 gal) under fuselage
2 250lb bombs under wings in hardpoints
2 150L drop tanks (39 gal) in wing hardpoints




The Re.2005 carried a bit of ords. The speed is incredible. The planes tangled with Spitfires often. "Shaking" began at 660km/h. To wrap it up, we need more Italian aircraft. The plane was named the Sagittario.

[gyrene81]

very cool...but uh...as much griping as there has been over the ta152, me163 and p-47m...wouldn't having less than 50 pre-production units that actually entered service, and zero production units kinda make it insignificant?

The Reggiane Re.2005 was the final entry in the series of fighters that had begun with the Re.2000. Like the Re.2001 it was powered by a German inline engine produced under license in Italy, in this case the DB 605A-1, capable of producing 1,475hp, produced by Fiat as the RA.1050 RC.58 Tifone.

Twenty nine pre-production aircraft were complete by the time of the Italian surrender of 8 September 1943. The fate of many of these aircraft is unclear.  Three fell into the hands of the Co-Belligerent Air Force, but a lack of spare parts kept them grounded. Three more were used by the fascist air force in Northern Italy. The Germans took eleven of the pre-production aircraft, but after that they disappear.

the book i have on it claims a grand total of 26 pre-production units entering limited service before the italian surrender on sept 8, 1943...

[iron650]

Then how about the more produced Re. 2001 instead?

[Krusty]

Quite so... At least that one wasn't grounded due to aircraft breaking up in mid flight.


Key thing to note: "PRE-production"... means before production models. Means it wasn't in production before it was stopped at the armistace.


One of the HTC criteria is it be a production model (no prototypes).

[alpini13]

the hostilities ended sept 1943...oh wait they didnt and the fascist italian govt and luftwaffe used the re-2005...it actually went into production and models that were damaged rebuilt at the factory....when the luftwaffe did this with bf109 or fw190 they gave the aircraft a new number and credit as another aircraft built.   things were different in italy and is why so much confusion arises about production numbers of this aircraft...about 52 were built or rebuilt, flew,some were production some were pre production some were pre production rebuilt to production specs.,they saw combat,they had kills,they were used by the italian airforce under kings rule until sept 1943,and under new fascist government airforce after sept 1943-45,and by the luftwaffe,most records for just about everything for late 1944 and 1945 were destroyed by the war,the fascists,the loyalists or the partisans.we fear what we do not understand, we need this aircraft and others like the g-55,mig-3,yak-3, bf-109g10
 

[Rino]

     I guess we just take your word for it then?  I'm also curious as to why we "need" a G-10?

[gyrene81]

the hostilities ended sept 1943...oh wait they didnt and the fascist italian govt and luftwaffe used the re-2005...it actually went into production and models that were damaged rebuilt at the factory....when the luftwaffe did this with bf109 or fw190 they gave the aircraft a new number and credit as another aircraft built.   things were different in italy and is why so much confusion arises about production numbers of this aircraft...about 52 were built or rebuilt, flew,some were production some were pre production some were pre production rebuilt to production specs.,they saw combat,they had kills,they were used by the italian airforce under kings rule until sept 1943,and under new fascist government airforce after sept 1943-45,and by the luftwaffe,most records for just about everything for late 1944 and 1945 were destroyed by the war,the fascists,the loyalists or the partisans.we fear what we do not understand, we need this aircraft and others like the g-55,mig-3,yak-3, bf-109g10

sorry, you might want to come up with a better resource than the one you have...i know it's sketchy because the numbers don't all add up according to the recorded serial numbers but...there were no production models built...sweden almost ordered 50 but that order was never fulfilled...every decent resource with information, including the book reggiane re 2005 sagittorio (isbn 88-86815-38-7) says xxii gruppo caccia was the only group of record that got any, at a rate of 3 per month because the company did not have an assembly line. either 8 or 10 got sent to germany with some untested modifications...12 were destroyed in testing and combat...6 were supposedly used by the aeronautica nazionale repubblicana for testing.


the midflight breakups were due to test pilots putting them into high speed dives that showed a weakness in fuselage, after some modifications and warnings to the pilots...they didn't happen again, at least not that anyone lived to talk about.

[STEELE]

Big +1 to the 2005.  Although, I doubt we would get it because it outruns most Allied planes and has too awesome of a gun package.   

[Krusty]

Outruns?....


Dude... it's slower than a 109G6, slower than a C205 or G.55.

It's not a speed demon by any stretch of the imagination.

EDIT: At 390mph it's about as slowas our in-game F6F

[gyrene81]

Outruns?....

Dude... it's slower than a 109G6, slower than a C205 or G.55.

It's not a speed demon by any stretch of the imagination.

EDIT: At 390mph it's about as slowas our in-game F6F

uh, krusty...it was as fast or faster than the c205 and g.55...421mph at 6000ft...390mph at 22,800ft

although sources vary, i've found more than one source that give the same performance specs that the book has.

[iron650]

Outruns?....


Dude... it's slower than a 109G6, slower than a C205 or G.55.

It's not a speed demon by any stretch of the imagination.

EDIT: At 390mph it's about as slowas our in-game F6F

Better than the F4F and Zeke.

[alpini13]

yes production models were made, the 362 squadron got the first batch also another squadron has then 372 unit i belive,would have to check....also other adhoc units used them in combat.as a side note the inbalance to the rudder was not a structual weakness,it was an inbalance and was corrected. as for the the bf109g-10 ,this is not my post,but in my post i asked for either the bf-109 g-10 or the bf-109 k-4 with 20mm option. as both of these models due to supply of the 30mm cannon and unit preference could be had with a 20mm gun in the nose...in fact i believ one whole combat squadron of bf-109 k-4 were equipped with the 30mm in the nose AND 20mm under wing pods...the point being that besides the AS versions of the g-14 and G-6, these models are a step up in performance in both speed and armament over current A/C in the game......of course more italian,japanese and russian aircraft would be nice

[Krusty]

uh, krusty...it was as fast or faster than the c205 and g.55...421mph at 6000ft...390mph at 22,800ft

although sources vary, i've found more than one source that give the same performance specs that the book has.

Those oft-quoted numbers appear to be a prototype's performance with a german DB605A installed. The Italian tifone was down-rated (same as on the Macchi and Fiat planes) due to problems getting it to run at the same levels the Germans got theirs to. Remember, these were IT-built copies, not originals. They only made about 1300 horsepower.

The speed is mentioned to be similar to its brothers.


Also I don't buy those funky numbers that get thrown around like "421mph at 6000 feet" then drops to 351mph at 13k, then jumps back to 421mph at 23k (fth). There is no dip, no dogleg in the power curve for this engine. It would not do that. So those numbers are all "suspect" and never backed up whenever I see them. You can't go off of that 421 listing.

One source claims the Reggiane was 30kmh faster than the C205, which is about 18mph.

The second prototype was noted to have a DB605A installed with MW50 per Germany's request (they were interested), this is said to have reached 700kph (437mph) but the condition and "cleaned up" nature of such a test is unknown.

Actual models as they changed and adapted them for the pre-production run would have had changes made, and most likely would be slower due to the IT-built engines onboard.

An interesting note about the high speed, the tests seem to have been done by the test pilot diving to get speed then levelling out over the field where it was measured.

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/aviation/maximum-speed-reggiane-2005-a-3267-2.html#post290300

Tuttavia bisogna specificare che le prove di velocitą massima effettuate sul prototipo, il Re.2005 MM.494 dal capitano De Prato nel luglio del'42(!) si svolgevano con queste modalitą: si effettuava una picchiata, si livellava l'aereo, e, stabilizzati gli indicatori di bordo, si effettuava il passaggio sulla base dove si effettuavano le misurazioni.
Dopo diverse prove veniva stabilito il valore medio.
Altre prove, condotte senza la picchiata iniziale, danno invece la velocitą "ufficiale" del Re.2005, 628,5Km/h a 6.950m, valori comunque ragguardevoli tenuto conto che sono raggiunti con l'aereo completamente rifornito di armi, munizioni e benzina.

He says that the 678 km/h recording was obtained by several tests where the pilot would dive down, level the aircraft and fly over the base.
Once armed and with more fuel, the official speed was 628,5 km/h at 6,950m.
Ceiling was 11,500 meters and range around 980 km. Climb time:
To 5,000 m: 5 min.56
To 6,000 m: 6 min.33 but 7 min 25 sec (official R.A. test of September 23rd 1942)
To 8,000 m: 9 min.42 but 11 min 22 sec (official R.A. test of September 23rd 1942)

628kph is 392.5mph, FYI.

[Debrody]

I dont know much about this, but one thing is sure:
The italians werent putting two or more staged superchargers to the DB605 engines. Therefore the plane cant be fast at low alt, slow at medium and fast at high alt again. Its speed graph had to be very simmilar to the C-205s or the 109Gs, with a maximum speed around 19-22K. With 1450 Hp (or maybe 1300) there is no wonder, 420mph is unreachable unless the whole airframe is designed for the speed, but that would seriously hurt the turning performance. Personally i think the 109F is an aerodinamical masterpiece, able to do 390mph with an 1300Hp engine, and still being able to hang with the spitfires. Just look that aircraft: a real clean design, light arnament, reduced drag and weight. This Re-2005 is 1400lbs heavyer with basically the same or very simmilar engine. What you think, could it turn/climb nearly as good as the 109? IMO its handling would be closer to the pony.

Whats more exciting: Re-2000/2001, Fiat g50, Cr-42, Macchi c-200    or for the bomber dudes: S-79
But there are HUGE gaps in the russian planeset even tho basically they won the war...

[Butcher]

Outruns?....


Dude... it's slower than a 109G6, slower than a C205 or G.55.

It's not a speed demon by any stretch of the imagination.

EDIT: At 390mph it's about as slowas our in-game F6F

Since when does the F6F even come close to 390mph unless in a dive? lol rarely seen it above 325.