Author Topic: IL2...why can we not change gunsights?  (Read 3603 times)

Offline Scotty55OEFVet

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IL2...why can we not change gunsights?
« on: May 23, 2011, 11:41:34 AM »
Ok, I know this is probably a dumb question, but as my Squad Leader once told me, the only dumb question is the one that isn't asked. I find it very difficult for me to aim my cannon with the way the IL2's "gunsight" is situated. Now, are we negated the ability to use different gunsights because its just a pain, or because the Russians only used that sort of layout in their Sturmoviks??? ALERT, this is a real question lol!
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Re: IL2...why can we not change gunsights?
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2011, 11:43:46 AM »
The gunsight is metal....
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Re: IL2...why can we not change gunsights?
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2011, 12:00:48 PM »
The gunsight is metal....

Ahhhhhhh ha ha ha ha ha. lol, thats what the hell I figured but was like cmon, really?  Thanks for the info buddy! :salute
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Re: IL2...why can we not change gunsights?
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2011, 12:42:13 PM »
You'll find the same thing on the A-20G.

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Re: IL2...why can we not change gunsights?
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2011, 10:38:50 AM »
You'll find the same thing on the A-20G.

But there are pictures showing the A20 equiped with a reflector type gunsight.

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Re: IL2...why can we not change gunsights?
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2011, 11:21:29 AM »
But are those the version we have in-game?

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Re: IL2...why can we not change gunsights?
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2011, 03:38:02 AM »
Check at the bottom of the page from this link. Cockpit illustration from IL2 handbook. Some IL2 had gunsights. PBP1 types.

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Re: IL2...why can we not change gunsights?
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2011, 10:04:51 AM »
Yes and just inches above that you have a video clearly showing no gunsight:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5FukYgXqM0&feature=player_embedded

The IL2 had many variants. It's no stretch to imagine one of the later ones had a gunsight.

Again, going back to "is that the version we have in-game?"

Answer: no, we have a different version.

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Re: IL2...why can we not change gunsights?
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2011, 10:16:28 AM »
To remain faithful to the historically correct technology,
get out your Crayolas and draw one on the glass! 

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Re: IL2...why can we not change gunsights?
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2011, 10:16:59 AM »
I wonder if they ever tried to put a ASh-82 FN Radial Engine on the IL2 like they did on the Lagg3  :D
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Re: IL2...why can we not change gunsights?
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2011, 10:36:51 AM »
Not that I ever recall. The immediate successor was the IL-10, at the very tail end of the war and post-war. The IL-10 followed the heavily-armored-inline-engine setup. Perhaps because they already knew that formula worked and with such a heavy slow plane the lower drag profile helped top speed.

After that, they started moving to jets like the IL-28 Beagle for bombing but more jabo like MiGs and such for fighter-bomber rather than pure bomber.

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Re: IL2...why can we not change gunsights?
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2011, 11:18:44 AM »
I'm probably wrong but I would speculate that streamlining is not that important on such slow planes, and that better engine power would really improve the plane considering the weight of the aircraft. A V12 inline is probably easier to protect from ground fire than a radial, and when a plane worked they would not change it too much I guess  ;) That's it for the 'what if' scenario   :old:
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Re: IL2...why can we not change gunsights?
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2011, 12:17:56 PM »
They probably reused or modified many aspects of the armor bathtub, in which case switching to a radial would leave it open to major damage.

I think in the slower heavier planes, reducing drag is all the more important.

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Re: IL2...why can we not change gunsights?
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2011, 12:23:00 PM »
I wonder if they ever tried to put a ASh-82 FN Radial Engine on the IL2 like they did on the Lagg3  :D

According to what I've read, there was only one example...

http://bp2.blogger.com/_KezhQ6waZT0/SFoWVI42dJI/AAAAAAAAEtw/JMRiWx21yqo/s1600-h/il2M82.jpg



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Re: IL2...why can we not change gunsights?
« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2011, 02:00:34 AM »
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