IL2...why can we not change gunsights?

[badhorse]

He makes a good point though.  In most of the airplanes you can select just about any kind of sight you want. How many P-51s had a Japanese Nave sight for instance. So it would be nice to be able to select a sight in an IL2. And what about that straight line thing in the B5N?

[Babalonian]

This is a consistency issue, think of all the EW Japanese aircraft that shouldn't have a reflector sight, or the majority of P-40Bs.

[dirtdart]

Why can we have custom gunsites? We should all be using whatever the plane had, that is it.  Right?  If not in all than why at all? 

[Krusty]

Way to make a mountain out of a molehill folks.

Simple fact is you're just changing the reflected pattern, not the gunsight itself. These few craft have no reflector, so nothing to change.

I don't mean to sound harsh, but....

"Deal with it!"

[dirtdart]

"Deal with it!"

I think this is going into my sig Krusty. 

[Krusty]

If you want to remove it from all context, go for it!

[dirtdart]

It would only be funny without the right context 

[bustr]

Reflector Gunsight - The device with a glass reflector plate you look through. Has an internal light bulb that shines either directly up or indirectly via mirror through first a graticule image plate or lens then the paralax lens to refelct from the angled glass reflector plate.

Graticule - The image you see reflected onto the angled glass reflector plate on top of your gunsight.

Rehostat - The dial used to vary the intensity of the gunsight's light bulb. Too bright of a reflection could cause a double image of the gunsight or make it hard to see ground targets such as tanks in WW2. In Aces High the rheostat is the Alpha slider in the gunsight selection menu. Sliding it almost all the way to the right enables you to see more of your ground target and your hit sprites on your con. Counter intuitive but, it lessens your visual clutter and stands out as soon as you have it on your target.

In the Aces High IL-2 3M, the gunsight is the wire pattern in the wind screen. This was the default gunsight for the IL2 until later in WW2. Eventualy the IL2 used the same PBP1 gunsight as out Yak and La.

[LThunderpocket]

get your zippo and a hammer,heat up the metal with the hammer and forge it with the zippo

[Karnak]

This is a consistency issue, think of all the EW Japanese aircraft that shouldn't have a reflector sight, or the majority of P-40Bs.

Which Japanese aircraft have a reflector site when they should not in AH?

[Scotty55OEFVet]

It is pretty sad that all I asked is why cant it be changed, was given the answer immediately and people make fun of it. Was an honest question and I was never big on the Air War or Air aspect of WW2 and was a ground pounder in Afghanistan. Was just curious cuz Im sure more than a few russians would have possibly welcomed a different gunsight 

[bustr]

Please what early war AH fighters have been erroniously fitted with a reflector gunsight?

Type 89 Telescope "Tube" gunsight was used in some of the following japanese fighters. All later japanese fighters used reflector gunsights.

A5M2 "Claude"
Ki27 "Abdul"
Ki43-I "Oscar"<---In both cases the (-I) is not the primary version that flew in combat. The primary combat versions
Ki44-I "Tojo"<---used the "Type 100 gunsight" based off the German Ogiee design.

The B239 Finnish version of the Brewster Buffalo was retrofitted by the Finns with the T.h.m.40 reflector gunsight. The Brewster Buffalo used by Navy and Marine forces had the "MK 3 Model 2 Sight" telescope gunsight like the F4F but, may have been upgraded to N3 reflector gunsights by Midway as the F4F were. Export Brewsters to Great Britian were upgraded with MkIII gunsights.

The P40B originaly used an external "Ring and Post" gunsight. Those in Burma and China flown by the AVG used them. The P40B was quickly upgraded to N2 and N3 reflector gunsights when available by the USAAF and RAF in all theaters. In the case of how Aces High deals with the P40B and its gunsight, a parallel argument is appropriate for putting PBP-1 or PAK-1 gunsights into the IL-2M(23mm VYa) and IL-2 Type 3M(NS-37) in Aces High. A reflector gunsight is a superior aiming instrament for guns, bombs and rockets than a fixed ring or wind screen marker. As reflector gunsights became readily available the russians upgraded everything they could.

Guess you could make another wish for the IL2 in Aces High to be upgraded to a reflector gunsight.

[Scotty55OEFVet]

Please what early war AH fighters have been erroniously fitted with a reflector gunsight?

Type 89 Telescope "Tube" gunsight was used in some of the following japanese fighters. All later japanese fighters used reflector gunsights.

A5M2 "Claude"
Ki27 "Abdul"
Ki43-I "Oscar"<---In both cases the (-I) is not the primary version that flew in combat. The primary combat versions
Ki44-I "Tojo"<---used the "Type 100 gunsight" based off the German Ogiee design.

The B239 Finnish version of the Brewster Buffalo was retrofitted by the Finns with the T.h.m.40 reflector gunsight. The Brewster Buffalo used by Navy and Marine forces had the "MK 3 Model 2 Sight" telescope gunsight like the F4F but, may have been upgraded to N3 reflector gunsights by Midway as the F4F were. Export Brewsters to Great Britian were upgraded with MkIII gunsights.

The P40B originaly used an external "Ring and Post" gunsight. Those in Burma and China flown by the AVG used them. The P40B was quickly upgraded to N2 and N3 reflector gunsights when available by the USAAF and RAF in all theaters. In the case of how Aces High deals with the P40B and its gunsight, a parallel argument is appropriate for putting PBP-1 or PAK-1 gunsights into the IL-2M(23mm VYa) and IL-2 Type 3M(NS-37) in Aces High. A reflector gunsight is a superior aiming instrament for guns, bombs and rockets than a fixed ring or wind screen marker. As reflector gunsights became readily available the russians upgraded everything they could.

Guess you could make another wish for the IL2 in Aces High to be upgraded to a reflector gunsight.

Thank You Bustr!

[Krusty]

Scotty, nobody was making fun of you. Some others don't seem to get it, is all.

Bustr, I would add to your comments for anybody else taking inspiration from them, that the P-40B was refitted with a reflector from an early time point, so that the majority in service had them. The difference is the IL2 served most of the war without one and only received a later modification at war's end. So arguing the P-40B has a gunsight is silly, because that's how it flew and fought, but arguing for a gunsight on the IL2 (IMO) is worse because that's not how it flew and not how it fought.


P.S. For those that want it..... why? It works well enough as-is!

[Babalonian]

Scotty, nobody was making fun of you. Some others don't seem to get it, is all.

Bustr, I would add to your comments for anybody else taking inspiration from them, that the P-40B was refitted with a reflector from an early time point, so that the majority in service had them. The difference is the IL2 served most of the war without one and only received a later modification at war's end. So arguing the P-40B has a gunsight is silly, because that's how it flew and fought, but arguing for a gunsight on the IL2 (IMO) is worse because that's not how it flew and not how it fought.


P.S. For those that want it..... why? It works well enough as-is!

I am not arguing with your statement in regards to the entire P-40 series Krusty, but I disagree with it in specific regard to the P-40B model or earlier models that you are refering to.

The majority of early P-40s, especialy those exported across the Pacific and in combat before Pearl, did not have reflectors unless and until they were provided as an upgrade later in the war.  But by that time the earliest models were bieng phased out by other newer aircraft including newer P-40s.  And by that time the factory wasn't pumping out the early-model P-40s with reflector sights, they were later models.  Going with the same "deal with it" mentality as you mentioned above, then the P-40B shouldn't have it the same as the IL-2, with the P-40E being equiped with it.  That's easy because there are two versions of the P-40 in AH, but with the Il-2 we only have on bird in the game.

Another argument I think (I'll need to look up the facts to be sure) that is in favor of a reflector sight on the IL2 in AH - how early on were the AT rocket loadouts available to it in the field like as we have available on our Il-2s?  I think those came out pretty late in the overall production run of the Il2 we have in-game as well.  Would aircraft capable or updated to carry those rockets also coincide with aircraft equiped with a reflector sight?  Was the NS-37 also not standard until later in that IL-2 production run too?  My point is I feel the Il-2 we have in the game was modeled anyways on a later production run than an earlier one.