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Offline McWeed

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P-51D Axis Scaling HELP!
« on: May 29, 2011, 11:18:27 AM »
i need help adjusting my axis scaling, ive tried messing around with it but i just go into a spin if i try to make a hard turn.

i fly a P-51D most of the time and i have CH everything if it matters???

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Re: P-51D Axis Scaling HELP!
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2011, 11:33:35 AM »
i need help adjusting my axis scaling, ive tried messing around with it but i just go into a spin if i try to make a hard turn.

i fly a P-51D most of the time and i have CH everything if it matters???

thanks - McWeed   :salute

Don't adjust scaling for a particular aircraft.  If you do adjust it, you'll be adjusting it based on your control style and joystick.

I quit scaling mine years ago, and leave all my sliders in a straight line across the top for rudder, elevator, and ailerons.

If you're going into a spin when you try to make a hard turn, it's probably due to your ability to control the plane in that part of its envelope rather than anything to do with scaling.  You may just need more practice.
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Re: P-51D Axis Scaling HELP!
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2011, 11:43:21 AM »
You may just need more practice.

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I found that scaling the stick into a sort of S shape helped me. It means my stick movements at the extremes have less effect, or to put it another way I can apply finer control with the stick near the stall, and finer control around the neutral for those tailshots

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Re: P-51D Axis Scaling HELP!
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2011, 05:16:56 PM »
Mtnman, you don't scale your elevator inputs?  Doesn't that make your pitch movements go to either full or none?  I keep my aileron scaling maxed across the top, but scale the elevators. 
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Re: P-51D Axis Scaling HELP!
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2011, 05:36:14 PM »
Mtnman, you don't scale your elevator inputs?  Doesn't that make your pitch movements go to either full or none?  I keep my aileron scaling maxed across the top, but scale the elevators.  

No, it makes the relative movements 1:1. I don't scale my elevators or ailerons at all, but I scale my rudder. I use the twisty function on the X52 so I need scaling to help me make the Z rotation inputs less jumpy.

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Re: P-51D Axis Scaling HELP!
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2011, 08:29:54 PM »
Mtnman, you don't scale your elevator inputs?  Doesn't that make your pitch movements go to either full or none?  I keep my aileron scaling maxed across the top, but scale the elevators. 

Like GNucks says, it jsy makes the elevator movement mirror my stick inputs.  1/4 stick equals 1/4 elevator (and I have aileron and rudder mapped the same way). 

Personally, I feel that scaling masks over-control tendencies.  In addition to masking them, it makes them "requirements".  Others have different theories though.

In my own flying, I don't have nearly the fine-control or "finesse" with scaling as I do without.
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Re: P-51D Axis Scaling HELP!
« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2011, 06:17:53 AM »
I use scaling on elevators and thats it. Default scaling too.
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Re: P-51D Axis Scaling HELP!
« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2011, 10:57:31 AM »
I only scale my elevators, mostly due to the roll rate of the P38. That said, my elevators are only slightly scaled; a gradual climb but the sliders are near the top when it starts already. Unless your joystick has a lot of throw in it, I would recommend scaling for the simple fact we don't have to tactile responses they had in reality.

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Re: P-51D Axis Scaling HELP!
« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2011, 10:10:19 PM »
I only scale my elevators, mostly due to the roll rate of the P38. That said, my elevators are only slightly scaled; a gradual climb but the sliders are near the top when it starts already. Unless your joystick has a lot of throw in it, I would recommend scaling for the simple fact we don't have to tactile responses they had in reality.


Maybe the difference is related to all my RC airplane fight-time.  I don't have the tactile sensation there, either, so I've just learned to have a soft touch.  I'm used to observing closely and getting most my queues visually, instead of through my sense of touch.  Until last year, I've always used the "old-fashioned" aircraft radios that don't have scaling as an option.
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Re: P-51D Axis Scaling HELP!
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2011, 12:13:26 AM »
I've been using Mudr's scaling.  I've not ever really used anything but.  Maybe I should try scaling only the rudder (I use a twisty)???

Should all the bars be UP all the way, DOWN all the way, of equally stepped from the bottom?
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Re: P-51D Axis Scaling HELP!
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2011, 12:25:51 AM »
I've been using Mudr's scaling.  I've not ever really used anything but.  Maybe I should try scaling only the rudder (I use a twisty)???

Should all the bars be UP all the way, DOWN all the way, of equally stepped from the bottom?

Scaling will look like steps, if you're looking for unscaled you can just un-check the box (all the bars will go to the top).

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Re: P-51D Axis Scaling HELP!
« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2011, 08:28:15 AM »
Scaling is a very personal thing, it's all about how heavy a hand you have.

When I came over from AWIII I flew mostly in the "relaxed" arenas so I was very use to yanking my stick around. When I started flying here I had to have a LOT of scaling. Thru the years I've gotten much smoother in my flying ( conserving E) that now all of my sliders are at the top. I still have a bit of scaling in my pedals, but not much.

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