Seventh Tri-Annual Dueling Bracket & Results

[fudgums]

We had films in this game? 

[Ardy123]

Wow, just when I thought the Leprechaun was killed and we could all rest from this thread... he returns....

[Slash27]

Rules are set to avoid certain things. rules are only put in place for guidelines. if HTC lived by their rules to the T then most of this thread would have  or what not and prolly locked.

this will not happen on the next duel. all of you that like to think you can do what ever it is you feel like on this thread will whine next dueling thread.


if you want to keep on going about this subject start a new thread

I think you guys should hit up HTC for a private forum for the next tourney if there is one. Maybe help stop this crap.

[canacka]

I think a lot of people are forgetting the second part of the rule.  So Krup didn't post all films, he posted 3.  Ok, so Irish wins as long as he posts films within 24 hrs.  He posts 1.  Doesn't the rule state that if the second person doesn't post the films then it reverts back to the original which means Krup?  Or is all of this a reason to argue over nothing?  Looks to me that if we want to follow the rules to the letter, then the correct answer by B.E. was given.

Let it die people.

[Babalonian]

Ten pages today alone, holy toejam Batman. 

The ruling was made. Stop embarrassing yourselves and the tourney.

Imagine reading this post and then the next several pages made thereafter in one read.        


BE, the pigs owe you a case of beer sometime, I salute you sir!

[TonyJoey]

Thank you for your legal expertise. If you want to appeal to BE's final rulling (at: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,314010.msg4094963.html#msg4094963 ), go for it.

See you in Supreme Court.

What do you think I've been doing for the last few pages? I'm arguing because I feel his ruling directly contradicts his own rules and his prior ruling on the subject. He held Spek accountable on this rule. Even though he offered a second chance, the rule was still enforced. In this case, it is simply being ignored. That's all there is to it. If a rematch was offered, that would be fair and consistent.

[2bighorn]

You step in the stream but water has moved on.

[Ack-Ack]

Can you save films with symbols in it?  Maybe that's why your films vanished.

If he tried to save a film using symbols, he would have received an error message.

ack-ack

[Guppy35]

Did not BE who organizes this thing ask folks to stop 8-9 pages ago?
Let it go gents.  As mentioned, you are all cartoon legends.  Who cares?  Since Irish doesn't care in particular, why continue the debate?

How about appreciating that BE set it up, and that 99.9 percent of the participants are enjoying themselves, and aren't basing their real world self esteem on this thing and move on?

You don't like how BE is running the thing then don't participate.  It seems to never fail that when someone in the community takes time to put some energy into trying to do something different, and for the community, that a small segment of that same community will go out of their way to find fault with it  or whine about it.  Shut up and play, or don't play as the case may be.

[mthrockmor]

(DELETE - By posting I perpetuate.)

Boo

[TonyJoey]

You step in the stream but water has moved on.

It's evident that you cannot justify his ruling anymore. My work here is done.

EDIT: I greatly respect BE for all of his hard work in running such a large tournament. However, this isn't the Soviet Union. People should be allowed to disagree with certain aspects and/or rules if they feel that it would prove beneficial for the tournament as a whole. Personally, I think that the ruling was inconsistent with his last ruling and have pointed it out and justified my stance.

[BaldEagl]

Sunbat, can I borrow your lawyers?

Clearly different people are interpreting the rules in different ways and in ways I hadn't anticipated.  This is, in turn, an insufficiency on my part in writing the rules to begin with.  My appologies to all for my insufficiencies.  This is just the type of argument the rules were meant to prevent.

Given the fact that the current rules, as written, are open to interpretation, I ruled in a way that I thought was fair and honest and in keeping with the spirit of a tournament meant to be fun.  It seems pretty clear to me that Krupinski posted films of three wins.  Since the round is best of five I would interpret that to be a win, particularily since his opponent is not disputing it.  Note that this is in the spirit of the tournament... having fun and that that same standard was not met by Spek in the last tournament.  Even if IrishOne was disputing it, he's already said he only has film of the one fight he won.  Since he wouldn't be able to post the films (held to the same standard Krupinski is being held to) the win would still flip back to Krupinski (by the rules).

I'll revise the rules again and may enlist a rules committee to help and to help in interpretation in future events.  I really detest having to add rules to an already over bloated rules document but every tournament someone else forces my hand.  It's sad really that people can't just take it for what it is and have fun with it.

[ACE]

Sunbat, can I borrow your lawyers?

Clearly different people are interpreting the rules in different ways and in ways I hadn't anticipated.  This is, in turn, an insufficiency on my part in writing the rules to begin with.  My appologies to all for my insufficiencies.  This is just the type of argument the rules were meant to prevent.

Given the fact that the current rules, as written, are open to interpretation, I ruled in a way that I thought was fair and honest and in keeping with the spirit of a tournament meant to be fun.  It seems pretty clear to me that Krupinski posted films of three wins.  Since the round is best of five I would interpret that to be a win, particularily since his opponent is not disputing it.  Note that this is in the spirit of the tournament... having fun and that that same standard was not met by Spek in the last tournament.  Even if IrishOne was disputing it, he's already said he only has film of the one fight he won.  Since he wouldn't be able to post the films (held to the same standard Krupinski is being held to) the win would still flip back to Krupinski (by the rules).

I'll revise the rules again and may enlist a rules committee to help and to help in interpretation in future events.  I really detest having to add rules to an already over bloated rules document but every tournament someone else forces my hand.  It's sad really that people can't just take it for what it is and have fun with it.

When you say that standard was not met by Spek what do you mean?

[Guppy35]

Don't do it BE.  If folks participating can't see your intent and trust your judgment, they should not be involved.  

While I don't participate in it, I do appreciate what you are doing for the community, hosting this thing.  And I enjoy watching the results and seeing how the majority of players handle winning and losing with respect and class.

don't rewrite anything for the minority.  They either need to adjust their understanding of what this is about, or not participate in it.

Throwing in a bloated rule book and a rules committee just adds more layers that can be complained about or used as an excuse.

I have to believe that those 99 percent of the players involved don't need or expect you to have to put even more work into this for a very few that just don't get it.

Thank you for organizing and hosting this event for the AH community

[MoJoRiZn]

Don't do it BE.  If folks participating can't see your intent and trust your judgment, they should not be involved. 

While I don't participate in it, I do appreciate what you are doing for the community, hosting this thing.  And I enjoy watching the results and seeing how the majority of players handle winning and losing with respect and class.

don't rewrite anything for the minority.  They either need to adjust their understanding of what this is about, or not participate in it.

Throwing in a bloated rule book and a rules committee just adds more layers that can be complained about or used as an excuse.

I have to believe that those 99 percent of the players involved don't need or expect you to have to put even more work into this for a very few that just don't get it.

Thank you for organizing and hosting this event for the AH community

i second thy motion of corkyjr