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Offline nrshida

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Locking the Twisting Rudder on an MS FF2 Sidewinder
« on: May 29, 2011, 01:05:48 PM »
A Squadron mate asked me to write this tutorial since he has just bought some rudder pedals and found the twist stick now annoying. I thought this might be beneficial to the community as a whole.


This is the best method I have found for permanently locking the twist grip rudder on a Microsoft Force Feedback 2 Sidewinder joystick.

Please don't be perturbed by the length of this tutorial and the number of photographs. I have tried to pitch the level of the instructions so that anyone can do it. Someone who is adept with tools and disassembling / reassembling could probably skip through this very quickly.

You will need the following tools:
A sharp knife, of any kind
A Philips #2 screwdriver
A Philips #1 screwdriver
A flat bladed screwdriver
some TP for its bunghole
a cotton bud / tip
Some electrical sidecutters
Some gel type Superglue (Loctite) OR two part epoxy (Araldite).


I am obliged to say this tutorial is presented for your use at your own risk. I cannot be held responsible for any damage or injury as a consequence of following this tutorial. Remember the usual tricks, check twice, cut or screw once, keep your meat behind any sharp cutting edges, Prior Planning Prevents P*ss Poor Performance and so on. Lay your tools out and work neatly. This will be quicker in the long run.




First, remove the five screws which hold the two halves of the joystick handle together and lay them to one side.



The screws are all the same size so do need to note which one came from where.



Gently separate the two halves of the handle by pulling the right side away from the left side. Many plastic parts such as your trigger and hat switch top will probably fall out onto your table. Lay those aside also.





Next lift off the left hand side of the handle and inspect how the twisty grip part functions. You will notice the two prongs of the centring spring & that this whole area is covered in white grease. Also note the potentiometer which sits directly on top of the shaft.

There is a circuit board at the front edge of the joystick handle. This is the optical dead man's switch, which turns off the motor feeds when you aren't gripping the stick, be careful not to bent the two LED-like components at either end of this board.





Carefully invert the joystick so you can get at the bottom.



Slip a sharp knife down the side of the rubber feet and lever them off. They are stuck down with adhesive which can be reused if you carefully lay the feet to one side, sticky side up. Try not to touch the sticky side.









There are eight in total.



Loosen each of the eight circumferential screws in turn and then fully unscrew them and lay them to one side. They are all identical so no need to keep them in any order.



Now the only tricky part of the operation, removing the three centre screws that help support the gimbal. They aren't  anti-tamper screws as such, let's call them tamper-discouraging screws. They are basically modified Phillips heads which encourage the driver to slip when trying to loosen them. Check your screwdriver bit fits without wobbling. I found the best technique was to press forward and give a tiny twist at the same time, probably pressing down twice as hard as I twisted. They should loosen fairly easily just ensure you don't damage the screwheads otherwise you will not be able to progress. Lay these three screws aside also.







Now lift off the bottom plate. You will see two green circuit boards a gimbal in the centre and two largish electric motors. Do not be alarmed, we are only visiting here.



Trace the wire that emerges from the centrepoint of the gimbal. This is the flipside of the wire that disappears down the centre shaft from the top of the joystick. This ribbon cable carries the signals from your hat and trigger and so on.
It is the widest connector on that board and is labelled 'HANDLE'  in white capitol letters. Carefully lever off the connector with a flat-bladed screwdriver. Do not tug on the wires!









Now carefully roll some of the ribbon cable around the connector and encourage it to turn sideways. This is best explained by examining the photograph.



Carefully guide the connector down (up, actually, if the stick was the right way up) the central tube gently and steadily pull from the top end until...





Voila! The ribbon cable and connector come away from the joystick base.





Now remove the lid from the centering spring housing with a little encouragement from a flat-bladed screwdriver. It is only loosely attached.












Slide it off the top of the black tube and lay it aside on a piece of TP.


Keep the white grease away from fabrics and wooden surfaces. Now wriggle the spring out of its housing by compressing both ends with thumb and forefinger. Lift it off the tube and lay it on the TP. Now use TP to clean the grease off, it will no longer be needed and will interfere with gluing. A cotton bud / Q-tip whatever you call it can be used to remove the grease from the spring housing.








Replace the spring housing lid back in place, now without the spring and without any grease.







If you press here (the position indicated by the tip of the tweezers) with your finget tip, it will click softly into place.



...by way of this small latch underneath:-


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Offline nrshida

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Re: Locking the Twisting Rudder on an MS FF2 Sidewinder
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2011, 01:07:15 PM »
Part 2





Now feed the connector and ribbon cable back through the top of the black tube, turn the joystick base over again and fetch it out the other side. I found it was best to push and pull at the same time. Use some small pliers if it helps to get hold of it from the bottom end.
















Unravel the connector and reattach it to the board. It can only go one way but refer to the photo before trying to force it back into its socket. It should softly click into place if is in correctly.






We are now finished visitting the bottom end of the joystick. Replace the bottom cover and install the three central tamper-discouaging screws. One trick I use to get them correctly started into the hole is to turn them backwards (counterclockwise) until I hear and feel a click. At this point the thread should be aligned and I start to drive the screws in a clockwise direction. Do not overtighten! when it begins to offer resistance, give it an eighth to a quarter of a turn more (by feel) and that is enough. These funny screw heads do not give any problems during tightening.




Replace the circumferential eight screws as above and then cover them with the little sticky feet by pressing them into place.






Turn the joystick base over, right side up.

We are going to glue the left side of the handle to the black tube and the top of the spring housing. If we do that however we limit the ability to disassemble the stick in future, because the potentiometer could not then be removed.






Since we aren't going to be using that anymore, my suggestion is to remove it. Use some fine sidecutters to snip through the ribbon cable as close to the dead-man's handle board as possible. If you cut neatly you should not need to insulate those ends. Discard the pot and it's round attachment.









Now test fit the left side of the handle on the shaft. You will see that the top of the black tube is unobstructed even when we glue the left side of the handle to it.




I recommend Super Glue (cyanoacrylate), ideally the gel kind (Loctite for example), as it will fill small gaps. I know you can buy this in American Supermarkets like Safeway as well as in Europe. Failing that a two part epoxy such as Araldite can be used (sparingly) providing you first rough up the joining surfaces with some abrasive paper.

You will notice that the handle can rest in any rotational position now that the spring is absent.






There is a reference however. If you line up the vertical part of the webbing on the left side of the handle with the small square hole on the lid of the spring housing, this should be stick handle perfectly forward.




You can double check this by inspecting if the seam of the handle lines up with the flash line on the outside of the black tube, when inspected from the rear.




When you are feeling confident and have a clear understanding through test fitting, glue the left side of the handle to the vertical tube. The amount of glue you use is dependent on the type of glue, how neatly you can work and just how frantically you tend to twist your stick under pressure. Regardless your gluing should remain firmly confined to the left side of the handle, otherwise you will have to clean that up to allow the refitting of the right side handle.

You should place a bead of glue in approximately the following places:



...and also here:-



Leave this to FULLY dry before you continue, otherwise you may twist the stick away from its central position. Check this several times as it dries.

When that is solid, inspect your work, carefully route the ribbon cable which serves the hat and topmost switches and replace the dead-man's handle board into position, pay special attention to the LED-like objects are laying in their housings. Replacing switches and trigger takes a bit of faffing about. Take your time and be patient. Offer up the right hand side of the joystick handle and hold it in place. You should be able to test the functionality of the switches and trigger before replacing the screws.

One small note, the top hat switch and board is missing from my stick and the ribbon cable is cut through. This doesn't really make a difference to this tutorial, however it serves as a warning about careful reassembly. My board is missing because I sent it to a friend who accidentally drove one of the handle screws right through his own ribbon cable, so be slow and careful when reassembling. Inspect the route of your cables and if you feel any resistance when replacing the screws stop and reinspect.

Microsoft, or whoever actually built it, made a nice job of this product, so if it doesn't go back together easily then something is in the wrong place.

You should now have a Microsoft FF2 Sidewinder that no longer has a twisty grip and is more rudder pedal friendly.




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Re: Locking the Twisting Rudder on an MS FF2 Sidewinder
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2011, 10:14:26 AM »
Good tutorial but wouldn't simply unmapping the twist axis have the same effect control input wise?
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Re: Locking the Twisting Rudder on an MS FF2 Sidewinder
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2011, 10:44:20 AM »
Ripley, as much as I have to say this.. I have to agree with you on one part but on the other part , the tutorial totlay eliminates the twist and locks it in....

This is the best method I have found for permanently locking the twist grip rudder on a Microsoft Force Feedback 2 Sidewinder joystick.




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Re: Locking the Twisting Rudder on an MS FF2 Sidewinder
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2011, 11:41:11 AM »
The original brief was to stop the stick rotating entirely to give it the feel of a non-twisty stick such as a CH Fighterstick etc. Perhaps I should have clarified this at the top. If you merely want to remove the rudder function then indeed unmap the axis.
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