Why True Peace will never be achieved

[skorpion]

Something we talked about in camp today. I figure that its a human condition to have power over others or some means of power. The reason Peace can never be achieved without force is because as long as there are two people on the planet, someone is going to want to be better than the other and will use force to assure it. There's no simple "well if people really tried" Its bull. As long as humans are on the planet there will never be True peace without force. Also I know how outrageous 2 people being the last on the planet is, look at the point, not the probability.

  Not to have all brains here(cause I obviously don't) Do anyone of you think Peace is possible without force? If so explain. If not well that's alright too.

i do not believe that peace is achievable without use of some sort of force. wether its a nice talk with some valid points or a hell of a s^#! stain war thats being waged. until all people on this god forsaken planet are dead, there will be no peace.

[doomed]

There has never been and never can be world peace. We are all animals even though we are higher on the food chain.
Just as animals fight so do we. Most of the times for the same reason. Territorial., resorcses anger or women.
No matter how content we as a race are we have the urge for more or better things or to protect those we feel need protection

[F22RaptorDude]

i do not believe that peace is achievable without use of some sort of force. wether its a nice talk with some valid points or a hell of a s^#! stain war thats being waged. until all people on this god forsaken planet are dead, there will be no peace.

We also talked about how to make the world better, I suggested population control meaning I would kill off billions of people. Me not being a mas murderer I made up a silly story about a zombie apocalypse. I went into detail a ton but it was all a joke. But it made me think, with life expectancy going up, how many people can the world fit comfortably? 

[skorpion]

We also talked about how to make the world better, I suggested population control meaning I would kill off billions of people. Me not being a mas murderer I made up a silly story about a zombie apocalypse. I went into detail a ton but it was all a joke. But it made me think, with life expectancy going up, how many people can the world fit comfortably? 

didnt you already post this before somewhere? i swear ive seen it before...

[Penguin]

We also talked about how to make the world better, I suggested population control meaning I would kill off billions of people. Me not being a mas murderer I made up a silly story about a zombie apocalypse. I went into detail a ton but it was all a joke. But it made me think, with life expectancy going up, how many people can the world fit comfortably? 

If you're so in favor of killing billions, let's have you be the first to go.  We thank you for your sacrifice.  

-Penguin

PS- Just kidding, I think that China has a pretty good model of how to slow population growth; only one child per household or else.  I don't even plan on having kids at all, (in the traditional sense) I'll adopt a few.

[F22RaptorDude]

didnt you already post this before somewhere? i swear ive seen it before...

It was in the zombie thread a few weeks ago.

[skorpion]

It was in the zombie thread a few weeks ago.

ahh ok. i gotchya. it seemed so familiar when i first read it

[F22RaptorDude]

I couldn't bring myself to kill a living thing, unless its a bug or rabid dog. But a zombie Apocalypse would be awesome 

[BnZs]

Something we talked about in camp today. I figure that its a human condition to have power over others or some means of power. The reason Peace can never be achieved without force is because as long as there are two people on the planet, someone is going to want to be better than the other and will use force to assure it. There's no simple "well if people really tried" Its bull. As long as humans are on the planet there will never be True peace without force. Also I know how outrageous 2 people being the last on the planet is, look at the point, not the probability.

  Not to have all brains here(cause I obviously don't) Do anyone of you think Peace is possible without force? If so explain. If not well that's alright too.

Define "peace".

A condition where nation states are no longer hurling conscripts or enthusiastic volunteers at one another is entirely possible. But shooting the occasional burglar will probably always be necessary.

If you want peace, it is quite simple. Quit allowing anyone to have the power to extort the funds to finance war and the power to force conscripts to fight wars. Accept that self-defense is a personal responsibility, as much as feeding and clothing yourself. Accept that defense of your property and your hide is a natural bodily function, like digestion, respiration, or excretion, that you cannot effectively delegate to others.

The primate instincts for violence that might be evident in a tribal skirmish or a gang dispute over turf have very little to do with war as modern people conceive of it. A man may beat, even kill someone in a bar brawl, but furious anger is insufficient to sustain war. The mutants among us may kill to rape or steal, but such persons are too rare and unreliable to be much good in military service. You don't get people to fight by appealing to their baser instincts. You do it by appealing to their sense of duty, patriotism, and honor. Desire for material prosperity and self-preservation serve the interest of peace. All of this can easily make one wonder if people are not entirely wrong in how they classify our "nobler" and "baser" instincts.

EDIT Re: Population growth
We live in an inconceivably vast universe, not a sealed jar. Trying to solve our problems by stopping population growth is as backwards as trying to stunt a child's growth because he or she is outgrowing their clothes.

[VonMessa]

Double plus good 

[BaDkaRmA158Th]

The only time humans will know peace is after waging a war of annihilation  on another alien species, and surviving it. 

[Plawranc]

"as long as there is man.. there shall be wars" - Albert Einstien.

It is a simple fact. Human beings are neither ignorant, nor bigoted (unless they go out of their way to be so). We are biologically programmed to dislike that which is different, and exterminate that which is seemingly inferior.

The majority will always step on the minority. Not to turn this into a political, racial or something of the like thread, but to use an example.

In ten years time, Australia could become an Asian nation, with European Anglo Saxons as the minority. This will cause a major shift in the order of things, I can guarantee it. China's influence is growing stronger by the minute here, and is certainly showing no sign of stopping. In as many as 20 years, Australias number one religion (going by current information) would be Islam or Hinduism.

This is a complete role reversal, the minority becomes the majority. And therefore the dominant power on Earth. America is slowly but surely giving way to China. And even more conflict will result. Inevitably, I can see WW3 is not far off with resources dwindling and political tensions high around the world.

These may seem to be unconnected and irrelevant points. But what I am stating here, is quite obvious. The world is undergoing a MAJOR upheaval, religious fervor, political unrest, resource depletion. And the very basic emotional response of Racism. Is rife around the world, and in such an unstable environment, the only stability would be enforced INstability, e.g. Warfare.

One day the human race will be united, and I agree with Badkarma. The only thing to unite such a violent intelligent species such as ourselves, would be a common enemy to exterminate together. Otherwise, difference will get in the way of all, and conflict will invariably follow.

Afterthought: An example of the common enemy would be the 2nd World War. The only time you could get every nation on Earth "broad statement I know" to work together, was to defeat an enemy that would destroy all nations on Earth save their own.

[mensa180]

True peace is not going to happen as long as the Bishops are allowed to live.

Who let you out of the home?

[gyrene81]

my sign will be when all paper money is made illegal, this is when I step away from the world and disappear.  

yup, if i'm around when that happens...sayonara, adios, good bye...i'm hiding in a dark corner of the planet.

I couldn't bring myself to kill a living thing, unless its a bug or rabid dog.

amazing, you seem so sure about that...i guarantee there are situations where you could and would...maybe not now, but within your lifetime. i thought the same thing a very long time ago.

[Yossarian]

Look at the world today, and compare it to the world 100 years ago.

One thing in particular stands out: people today are more connected with people across the world than ever before.  100 years ago, to travel to another country would have required probably an expensive and long journey.  Today, we can be pretty much anywhere within 48 hours, and be there with relatively little fuss or hassle.  Additionally, to know and keep up with someone in another country 100 years ago would have required communicating either by letter, by telephone or by telegram etc.  Today, we can talk to someone on the other side of the world instantly, at low cost, and whenever we want.  Additionally, because of these technologies, we can see pictures, videos and opinions of people from many other countries on the internet with little effort.

One of the results of this is that whereas 100 years ago, a government with sufficient propaganda power could portray another people/race/religion as being subhuman and needing to be destroyed (or as having any characteristic which makes them 'hostile').  Today, that can (and still does, to an extent) happen, but there are far more people who will know that to be false, and to reject such propaganda.  One other thing is the anti-war movement.  I assume some of you will be firmly opposed to it, but in my opinion it's a positive byproduct of this ease of communication.  As more people realise that foreigners from supposedly 'hostile' countries are actually people just like you and me (although living in different circumstances and conditions, of course), and as more people realise the actual cost of war - the more they'll be opposed to it.  I think and hope that the result of this will be less war in the world.