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Why True Peace will never be achieved
« on: May 30, 2011, 03:42:35 PM »
Something we talked about in camp today. I figure that its a human condition to have power over others or some means of power. The reason Peace can never be achieved without force is because as long as there are two people on the planet, someone is going to want to be better than the other and will use force to assure it. There's no simple "well if people really tried" Its bull. As long as humans are on the planet there will never be True peace without force. Also I know how outrageous 2 people being the last on the planet is, look at the point, not the probability.

  Not to have all brains here(cause I obviously don't) Do anyone of you think Peace is possible without force? If so explain. If not well that's alright too.
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Re: Why True Peace will never be achieved
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2011, 03:51:03 PM »
Something we talked about in camp today. I figure that its a human condition to have power over others or some means of power. The reason Peace can never be achieved without force is because as long as there are two people on the planet, someone is going to want to be better than the other and will use force to assure it. There's no simple "well if people really tried" Its bull. As long as humans are on the planet there will never be True peace without force. Also I know how outrageous 2 people being the last on the planet is, look at the point, not the probability.

  Not to have all brains here(cause I obviously don't) Do anyone of you think Peace is possible without force? If so explain. If not well that's alright too.

That is a question similar in depth and controversy to trying to figure out women.

I think true peace is obtainable without war.  Even though cultures are vastly different, there are ways of bridging the gaps when trying to accommodating the differences without sacrificing identity.  The closer the similarities the easier it is to achieve parity, the US and UK are prime examples.  Once at war and harsh enemies, each country realized their similarities and shook hands for good. 
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Re: Why True Peace will never be achieved
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2011, 03:55:14 PM »
That is a question similar in depth and controversy to trying to figure out women.

I think true peace is obtainable without war.  Even though cultures are vastly different, there are ways of bridging the gaps when trying to accommodating the differences without sacrificing identity.  The closer the similarities the easier it is to achieve parity, the US and UK are prime examples.  Once at war and harsh enemies, each country realized their similarities and shook hands for good. 
Its changing the rest of the world that's the problem. Its a race and religion thing too, one race will think their religion is the only one there should be and rage war over that. Which is whats going on in the middle east. True peace is impossible because not everyone can put their differences aside and shake hands. And I hate to say that, I somewhat support the idea but its impossible as of now. Maybe if you give the world another 25-75 years we might be at a better off position to try it out. But like I said, its completely impossible for peace right now without raging a war, cause its all about dominance, nobody wants to feel weak.
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Re: Why True Peace will never be achieved
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2011, 04:26:02 PM »
Why eliminate, when you can assimilate?

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Re: Why True Peace will never be achieved
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2011, 04:32:40 PM »
Two people will always figure out a way to get along.  Add a third though...

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Re: Why True Peace will never be achieved
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2011, 04:33:33 PM »
You propably won't ever take crime & violence entirely away from humanity but for world peace... Jsut look back for a moment:

Once there was a time where nobody could have imagined the countless petty German (Holy Roman) Lords constantly fighting and warring against each other. But then came more civilization (well sort of), unification, more organization, and slowly the number and severity of feuds has been decreasing and the concept of justice and getting it in front of of a court was getting accepted more and more. War and warfare was relegated to ha higher level, a matter of Kingdoms, independent territories and proto-countries.

Then there was a time nobody could imagine the various German states living together in peace and not constantly warring against each other and/or "foreign" powers in ever shifting alliances, sometimes along religious lines, sometimes not. (Remember the 30 years war?) But times progressed, and so did civilization and organization went on, differences in the Christian Faiths were less and less a reason to go and slaughter each other. And finally even all those different territories united into a single state (just as others in Europe did before)

And then it's been largely only those European countries that continued to fight wars in ever changing alliance, and that seemed to be like a natural law to the contemporaries. Countries have interests, and sometimes they would go to war to further them. Napoleonic wars, Krimean War, World War I and II...  Again, nobody could believe there once would be a time in which the major European powers would not clash every few years in any way. But then again there was progress, organization, the different countries formed a loose union, and instead of war they used negotiations, elections, and courts. Not working perfect, but still giving Western Europe the longest time of peace in it's entire history.

And now?  Concepts of justice and organization on an even higher level started to emerge. International law. Peace missions. Basic human rights. International courts issuing arrest warrant against former and still acting dictators. Does it really work yet? Absolutely not. Flawed? Very much so. Universally accepted? Hell no.

But times will go on. The world is becoming smaller by new means of communication. The next step of civilization, unity, and peaceful ways of resolving conflicts are ahead or already being made.

World Peace? Not in my lifetime! Most probably not even in the time of my great-grandchildren. But looking back in history I see no reason why this path we are on see should not continue.


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Re: Why True Peace will never be achieved
« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2011, 05:02:51 PM »
Define 'Peace'

Even though cultures are vastly different, there are ways of bridging the gaps when trying to accommodating the differences without sacrificing identity. 
I would have to strongly disagree here, the us versus them mentality among people is overwhelming, total homogeneity to a significant degree is the only way to get people off of each others' throats.

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Re: Why True Peace will never be achieved
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2011, 05:08:34 PM »
when you see world "peace" beware for the end is emanate.

I see this happening within 75 to 100 years from now. maybe sooner.

 the world's powers will surround Jerusalem...after that there will be world Peace....which is not peace at all, but subjugation of the worst sort.

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Re: Why True Peace will never be achieved
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2011, 05:13:36 PM »
when you see world "peace" beware for the end is emanate.

I see this happening within 75 to 100 years from now. maybe sooner.

 the world's powers will surround Jerusalem...after that there will be world Peace....which is not peace at all, but subjugation of the worst sort.

my sign will be when all paper money is made illegal, this is when I step away from the world and disappear.    

Interesting idea, but let's keep this discussion within the rules.

F22, I disagree utterly.  I don't have time to write another treatise at the moment, but I'll get back to you.

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Re: Why True Peace will never be achieved
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2011, 05:20:21 PM »
Interesting idea, but let's keep this discussion within the rules.

F22, I disagree utterly.  I don't have time to write another treatise at the moment, but I'll get back to you.

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Re: Why True Peace will never be achieved
« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2011, 05:23:45 PM »
True peace is not going to happen as long as the Bishops are allowed to live.
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Re: Why True Peace will never be achieved
« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2011, 05:30:28 PM »
True peace is not going to happen as long as the Bishops are allowed to live.
Oh man, this is great stuff! :rofl

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Re: Why True Peace will never be achieved
« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2011, 06:15:09 PM »
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The reason Peace can never be achieved without force is because as long as there are two people on the planet, someone is going to want to be better than the other and will use force to assure it.
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This is a fundamentally wrong assumption.

As you age.. and ESPECIALLY when you become a parent, you learn to choose your battles and at some point, the importance of winning every battle and always being right diminishes drastically.

You will learn to prioritize your causes. Those that do not impact you, or permantly challenge you, your family, or your livlihood will no longer be that important.

World peace can be achieved.. but the pharmacy bill is gonna be a killer.

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Re: Why True Peace will never be achieved
« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2011, 06:42:31 PM »
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

Peace = War
One cannot exist without the other.

Without war the concept of peace ceases to be valuable.
Without hate there is no value to love...
..or some may argue that the opposite of love is apathy.

Thus is it my theory that everything undesirable must exist to make the desirable so.
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Re: Why True Peace will never be achieved
« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2011, 07:11:19 PM »
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