Logged into youtube to check something out.

[Babalonian]

It's ok Shuff, we all eventually forget our first and later dissolved wedding anniversaries. 

[gyrene81]

penguin, it wouldn't be a big deal, we all make mistakes, but you're a constant fountain of b.s. information...sometimes worse than raptordude

[Penguin]

Hmm, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, care to provide another link?

-Penguin

[TequilaChaser]

Could be halon gas, inert heavyer than air gas that's used to smother fires in ships, server rooms etc. where water damage must be avoided.

yep, I figured I had mispelled it......... and yes we used it to smoother the fires of the fire's oxygen

but we used it Halon ( or also known as AFFF, but I figured posting it as Halon would be easier for most to recognize ) along with Purple K as well ( Purple K is also known as PKP )... PKP is for Class B and Class BC fires


no offense Penguin, but I just overlooked your reply regarding the montreal treaty / CAA ruling back in 1990 / 1992  and 1994........ everyone makes a unwise post and are mistaken from time to time, including myself.....

last I knew though, was for some special situations  AFFF or an Alt-mix of it is still used to this day, I do believe


all those treatys ever did was cause alot of us to have to spend more money going and getting "Certified" and "Licensed"  to show some OSHA or EPA Inspector that we were qualified to use such things or use Refrigerants if one is an HVAC-R  Tech

that Ozone hole in the sky is nothing more than a pressure relief valve for the Earth's Atmosphere....... sometimes it will be very small, other times it will be the size they originally found it to be back in what was it '47?, while other times it might be a bit larger, but then it will get small again etc....... but leave it to some bureaucrats to make another red tape law to make corporations and companys and workers have to spend more dollars and make a select few rich ........ just a lil ol opinion.....

anyways, sorry I got off track on this thread regarding the original topic


TC

[mbailey]

It's OK penguin... we all make mistakes, heck I made one in 1983... or was that 84... hmmm

Pics or it didnt happen 

[colmbo]

yep, I figured I had mispelled it......... and yes we used it to smoother the fires of the fire's oxygen

but we used it Halon ( or also known as AFFF, but I figured posting it as Halon would be easier for most to recognize ) along with Purple K as well ( Purple K is also known as PKP )... PKP is for Class B and Class BC fires

Halon is not AFFF (also called Light Water).  Halon is a gas and works by interrupting the chemical reaction - it does nothing with the O2.  AFFF (Aqueous Film Forming Foam) is a soap like agent that floats on the surface of the fuel blocking the release of flammable vapors.

[Vudu15]

halon's what we have in our fire bottles on the Blackhawk.

[TequilaChaser]

yep, I figured I had mispelled it......... and yes we used it to smoother the fires of the fire's oxygen

but we used it Halon ( or also known as AFFF, but I figured posting it as Halon would be easier for most to recognize ) along with Purple K as well ( Purple K is also known as PKP )... PKP is for Class B and Class BC fires

Halon is not AFFF (also called Light Water).  Halon is a gas

Yes Sir, you are correct....although HALON is really a Liquefied Gas... and my apologies for running my past real life experiences about Aircraft Fire Fighting, Fire Fighting & Damage Control all together....... most of which was 24 + years ago, except for a short stent of being a 1st Responder on the HAZMAT team back in 05 thru 08 in FL at NAS JAX....... having had used all of the different fire supression agents I mistakenly ran some of them together as being the same, my apologys for the mistyped mistake you had to correct me on there... thanks

Halon is a gas and works by interrupting the chemical reaction - it does nothing with the O2.  

this partially incorrect. the 1st part is right, but 2nd part is not....... it does do something to O2......  

HALON has 4 abilities: these are # 1 -to deprive or smoother the fire of oxygen, #2 it also is capable of cooling the fire's heat & fuel source, #3 as well as dilute the fuel source. The 4th ability and primary of the 4, is the ability of chemically reacting to the fires 3 components to disrupt the triangle's chain reaction

AFFF (Aqueous Film Forming Foam) is a soap like agent that floats on the surface of the fuel blocking the release of flammable vapors.

yes it does that, but it also cuts off the oxygen by smoothering or seperating the oxygen from the fuel source


sorry for any misleading in my previous post, where colmbo corrected me on it....


   

TC

[Penguin]

Fifth ability- mess up the atmosphere very, very badly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halon_104

-Penguin

[TequilaChaser]

Fifth ability- mess up the atmosphere very, very badly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halon_104

-Penguin

I sure hope you don't believe everything you read on the internet or see on TV

places like wikipedia  or tv channels like the History & Military channel are always misleading people



did you know the EPA outlawed R-12 refrigerant and told everyone they had to either replace their cars AC or convert it to R-134A  and did the same for AC's in homes ( R-22 to R410A )

and anyone who worked with refrigerants were ordered by the EPA to become certified.... in the study material they tell us all how CFC's and then HCFC's burn up the ozone

then years later they came out and said "We were wrong"   hence my post earlier about the hole in the Ozone Layer.......  it is a money maker scheme and nothing else

Ozone in the atmosphere of the earth is a natural occurance, that is how the eath cleans itself naturally most times via lightning strikes which put off ozone

too much ozone is a bad thing and is harmful to younger people, older people and people with breathing problems........ it will eat and scar your lungs/lung tissue

and look at all these people with ozone generating air cleaners and electronic air filters in their homes......

anyways.... I am getting off of the original topic

sorry bout that


TC

[Penguin]

Well, it's not like I have oodles of up-to-date books on HVAC lying around, so the internet is a very good resource indeed.  Furthermore, it was one of the big things on the article itself.  Do you mind posting the link to your research?  It'd help me cross examine what I find.

-Penguin

[TequilaChaser]

Well, it's not like I have oodles of up-to-date books on HVAC lying around, so the internet is a very good resource indeed.  Furthermore, it was one of the big things on the article itself.  Do you mind posting the link to your research?  It'd help me cross examine what I find.

-Penguin

yes the internet "can" be a good source for information, but I recommend cross checking / verifying and also read more than 1 or 2/ a handful of reviews or articles/white papers etc....  it is all debateable anyhow..... enviromentalists verses coprorate verses yada yada yada......... each side will always claim that they are right

If one is interested in the truth or the facts, then they must get neck deep in it personally by research, testing, experiments, etc.... and come to their own conclusion of what is actually what    <---- this goes for anything in Life

all my factsheets/data/books/test equipment are packed up in storage "seriously" ....... all my bookmarked weblinks are on my other Downed computer that I need to pull the HD's out of and move over to this new one ( or back up to an ext drive maybe )


btw I do not do research or testing or work anymore , I am disabled & retired  


 

TC

edit: Penguin, if you genuinely need help finding info regarding something, I am not saying I would not help you try to find material regarding what you might need help on.........

[Penguin]

yes the internet "can" be a good source for information, but I recommend cross checking / verifying and also read more than 1 or 2/ a handful of reviews or articles/white papers etc....  it is all debateable anyhow..... enviromentalists verses coprorate verses yada yada yada......... each side will always claim that they are right

If one is interested in the truth or the facts, then they must get neck deep in it personally by research, testing, experiments, etc.... and come to their own conclusion of what is actually what    <---- this goes for anything in Life

all my factsheets/data/books/test equipment are packed up in storage "seriously" ....... all my bookmarked weblinks are on my other Downed computer that I need to pull the HD's out of and move over to this new one ( or back up to an ext drive maybe )


btw I do not do research or testing or work anymore , I am disabled & retired  


 

TC

edit: Penguin, if you genuinely need help finding info regarding something, I am not saying I would not help you try to find material regarding what you might need help on.........

It's all good, TC.  I'll take your word for it; I never knew how much work went into this.

-Penguin

PS Italicizing your wasn't the best idea, it made me sound like a dweeb