One Aircraft I'd Love to Spend Perks On

[EagleDNY]

I vote the Meteor MkIII before this thing.   

Actually, I'd go for both the Meteor and the F7F.  Photo recon over enemy territory is a combat mission folks.  Plenty of people doing 'photo recon' ended up KIA.  The Meteor was deployed, in squadron strength, but just didn't see combat over enemy territory as they were busy intercepting V-1s. 

IMHO, rides like these should be added as perk rides.  This is the kind of 'what if' that keeps players interested, and this game could use a big dose of things to keep players (new and old) interested.

[gyrene81]

My reasoning exactly. Aerial targets in the PTO (mainland Japan exception) were hard to come by in the closing months.

if the f7f had actually been deployed to combat squadrons prior to the japanese surrender, that argument would work...but, looking up marine squadron histories, it looks like the f7f made it to deployment status just a couple of days prior to the japanese surrender.

you can look up the squadrons yourself:
http://www.alternatewars.com/BBOW/Organization/USMC_Squadrons_WW2.htm

[Letalis]

Good link resource. 
I noticed on the page that the VMF(N)-531 “Gray Ghosts” must have flown the F7F prior to re designation in Sep '44.

I have not found which specific units it was active with in PTO, just went off this -v- highly recommended book and memory. Darn admin!

http://www.amazon.com/American-Fighter-Enzo-Angelucci/dp/0517565889
   

[STEELE]

Actually, I'd go for both the Meteor and the F7F.  Photo recon over enemy territory is a combat mission folks.  Plenty of people doing 'photo recon' ended up KIA.  The Meteor was deployed, in squadron strength, but just didn't see combat over enemy territory as they were busy intercepting V-1s.  

IMHO, rides like these should be added as perk rides.  This is the kind of 'what if' that keeps players interested, and this game could use a big dose of things to keep players (new and old) interested.

I guarantee those young pilots full of whizz & vinegar were strafing things with em, photo recon or not!

[gyrene81]

Good link resource. 
I noticed on the page that the VMF(N)-531 “Gray Ghosts” must have flown the F7F prior to re designation in Sep '44.

I have not found which specific units it was active with in PTO, just went off this -v- highly recommended book and memory. Darn admin!

http://www.amazon.com/American-Fighter-Enzo-Angelucci/dp/0517565889

ya i looked up all but 2 of the squadrons shown on the list...according to the squadron histories using the f7f for cross referencing...you might want to expand the number of references you use. not even the marine corps squadrons who got assigned the f7f list any flight activity in hostile zones prior to the japanese surrender.

[Westy]

No Krusty. they've never, ever said any such thing.


"What is the criteria then Sir?"

Only HTC employees know. That's why I'm sick of the ignorant wishlist
denizens regurgitating the same old, patently false claims.

It's as lame and ignorant as chiming "IN" on a topic bordering on being
locked.

I'm not saying folks shouldn't express their OPINION but don't pass it
off as a definitive process that HTC employs.

[Letalis]

ya i looked up all but 2 of the squadrons shown on the list...according to the squadron histories using the f7f for cross referencing...you might want to expand the number of references you use. not even the marine corps squadrons who got assigned the f7f list any flight activity in hostile zones prior to the japanese surrender.

Never said I'd proven combat, only that I placed trust in solid resources that claimed deployment and service in PTO.  There was no rush to get Tigercats to the front line- even if they did not see action ("whizz and vinegar") the point is that they easily could have been right alongside the F4U4 and had higher production numbers than aircraft already in the game. The F7F flew nearly two years before the end of the war and was in service with active units a year prior. As a perk ride the F7F does not unbalance the game while adding to the fun factor IMHO.

[gyrene81]

Never said I'd proven combat, only that I placed trust in solid resources that claimed deployment and service in PTO.  There was no rush to get Tigercats to the front line- even if they did not see action ("whizz and vinegar") the point is that they easily could have been right alongside the F4U4 and had higher production numbers than aircraft already in the game.

you didn't actually look at what the marines were flying at the time did you? the majority were flying f6f and f4u-1s as late as 45...the f4u4 got to front line units late as in 45. and yeah, the f7fs could have been right along side, not in hostile zones and just 2 days before the end of the war.

The F7F flew nearly two years before the end of the war and was in service with active units a year prior. As a perk ride the F7F does not unbalance the game while adding to the fun factor IMHO.

you're just wanting it because of the mega speed and quad 20mm's...read it again, look up the actual places those squadrons were operating at the time they got the limited numbers of f7fs prior to the end of the war. its a very tough search...if we were talking korean war, and night time, the f7f would be perfect.

[grizz441]

Criteria shmiteria.  "Criteria" is just a fancy official term to attempt to set something in stone to absolve any potential dispute.  Just like a business owner telling you "Sorry, that's our policy, we can't budge" even though he wrote the policy and can do whatever he wants!  It's silly.  I think HTC's criteria is generally a good rule of thumb for adding a new aircraft, but aircraft like this would be great to have in the game.  It was flown during WW2 and would likely match up fairly well with other LW birds and would be fun (The most important metric trust me).  Is it more deserving than other aircraft that should be inducted sooner? Probably not from a historical perspective, but from an LW Arena Competitive/More fun perspective?  Perhaps it is.  

Jets never saw "combat" flying and fighting on the deck yet it happens all the time in the MA.  The counter argument to that is, "It would have been possible though".  Bingo!  Would the F7F have been capable of entering into combat in WW2? That answer is yes, it was available, and it was a WW2 bird.

[Krusty]

Grizz, don't be stupid... You're getting authentic tools to use as you see fit in modern ways. Those tools had to have been used, though, historically. They have to be "authentic". So yes they may not be USED exactly how they were in WW2, but they were used nonetheless as a weapon system in the war.

More jets were shot down low on the deck than at 25K, FYI. A large percentage of them, in fact.

Westy, your bitterness is dressed in ignorance. I've seen the posts before. The AH search function is porked (and has been for years) so I cannot give you the exact quoted threads. Suffice it to say those that give a crap and pay attention (clearly not you) can vouch that HTC has chimed in a time or two.

These are not made up requirements.

[grizz441]

Those tools had to have been used, though, historically.

Says who?

They have to be "authentic".

F7F isn't "authentic?" It was around during WW2 and got deployed.  Seems authentic enough to me.

More jets were shot down low on the deck than at 25K, FYI. A large percentage of them, in fact.

I'm not a WW2 expert so I just assumed they weren't, but that is just a talking point anyways.  I could say the same for ME163s on the deck and be completely accurate and prove my point just the same.

[gyrene81]

uh grizz...these flew in ww2 as well...think they should be included? after all, they would match up well with their contemporaries...and many actually saw combat, unlike the f7f...















may as well call it some version of il2 and get it over with...unless/until htc decides to include the korean war era.

[grizz441]

I thought we were talking about the F7F?  I'm actually trying to avoid making sweeping generalizations in regards to what should and shouldn't be added, unlike you and HTC, noble BBS warrior.  

Plane to plane basis and see how it "feels".

[gyrene81]

I thought we were talking about the F7F?  I'm actually trying to avoid making sweeping generalizations in regards to what should and shouldn't be added, unlike you and HTC, noble BBS warrior. 

Plane to plane basis and see how it "feels".

yeah...that's your story and you're sticking to it...

It was flown during WW2 and would likely match up fairly well with other LW birds and would be fun (The most important metric trust me).

[Noir]

I'd love ANY plane to be added...its been a while now