Why is there so much animosity between RAF and LW fans???

[eskimo2]

I fly em all and, gee, now that I think about it...
I realy do hate myself.

eskimo

[Pongo]

Because there are anal screwed up people waving both flags.

[hazed-]

oboe i passed 3 supermodels the other day all standing in the middle of the street staring at a carton of orange...when i asked them why they said because it said 'concentrate' on the side of the bottle  

i fly LW and im English.
One of my grandfather's was an anti-aircraft gunner at north-weald and the other was in the Black Watch.had an uncle who was a medic in the paras.They introduced me to the war books and models etc.I have no problem with anyone flying anything from any country.Only fools like laz get all worked up when myself and others, for fun i might add, play the stereotypical LW flyers.
you know stuff like stsanta calling himself Baron von Grossen-arsch(thats Big arse laz,as in a joke) or when we talk like 've vill vin ze War!' etc.Its for a laugh but some just dont get it, it seems.

I would love it if we had americans flying the american planes,japanese flying the japanese etc but ive got no idea why.Just would be fun i think.

[ 09-06-2001: Message edited by: hazed- ]

[flakbait]

I gotta agree with Zig *gasp!*. British aircraft were getting better at a time when German iron really started to gain weight.  Throw a clipped wing Spit IX against a D9 and I'll put my money on the Spit driver. Not out of preference, but just because of the odds. It takes skill to get kills in most German A/C where as a Spit handles like a trainer. It's a comfortable airplane to fly. Combine that with the ammo modeling and you've got a serial killer on your hands.

I think the LW Brigade here takes pride in that skill, and blows their horn a tad too often. The RAF guys would simply like a Spit made after 1943 to compete with the hot rods. Face it, that Spitfire is a dang fun little wonder to rip around in. I would love to see another variant or two come around some time soon. Hell, if HTC keeps going the direction they started in with 1.08 we'll see a Swordfish before anything else.

I fly everything. A nice fat D-model Corsair one run, or a slender P-51 the next. Sometimes I'll dive in a Spit, other times an Fw-190 is more to my liking at that point in time. Do I have my gripes? Yup. Like Zig, I believe the Hispano ammo model is fragged to some extent. The LW guys love their iron and love telling people how good they are. But the Brits can get down low and really mix it up with anyone in a nasty turning fight. Or they can E-fight if the mood strikes. This probably causes some tension, as the LW gang can't do this and expect to live. Regardless of the aircraft type or the year, German A/C weren't built for whipping around in turns.

I look at it from this perspective: Most Brit planes are fairly good turning fighters, but aren't exactly real hot in the speed dept. German planes are the opposite; they can really cook but they don't turn so well. It creates a nice situation where you've got to fight the other guy on his terms. At least a little bit if you want to win.

There are things HTC could do to fix the disparity between both British and German A/C. Should they be done? Not unless it's broke to begin with. If the Hispano ammo model is fragged, fix it. If the Bf-109 rolls too fast, fix it. As for the pilots of each side? There's a few LW types who should stuff a sock in it, several Brit types should too. If you want to compare stuff, knock yourself out but don't go hijacking the thread.


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[Karnak]

Don't get me wrong guys, I fly all kinds of aircraft, I'm just tired of the group that is presenting itself as downtrodden.

I wouldn't mind seeing a better German bomber, I'd just rather see some Russian and Japanese aircraft first.

I think that the Me410 would be a nice addition to AH. Hopefully we see something like the following in 1.09:

Me410B-2 Hornisse
Ki67-Ib Hiryu (if it doesn't arrive in 1.08)
N1K1-J Shiden
B6N2 Tenzan
Ju88C-6
P-40N Warhawk
Tu-2 (if it doesn't arrive in 1.08)
T-34/76
M4A3 Sherman

[StSanta]

Heh, and ya illustrated the problem quite well Karnak  .

[Saintaw]

Originally blurted by -ammo-:
...we are superior to any LW unit. Our machines, our men, our atitudes are all superior...

You must be verry drunk to post this  

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No animosity, just friendly taunting the inferior non-LW pilots  

[gatt]

Its simple, LW a/c are not so good for arena playing. In order to obtain good results you have to fly them in a *very* conservative way. And this is good during a scenario, not in the Main Arena.

Japanese and RAF aircarft are probably the best. After the first merges and down to the deck, Spitfire IXs and N1K2s will (almost) always kick your arse. Of course I'm talking about the average player.

Every online sim needs LW "fanatic", both in MA and Scenarios. Simply there would be not enuff players on the dark side and/or you would see furballs made up almost only by RAF/USAF/Japanese a/c.

In a late war environment like AH it takes balls to fly 109s and FWs. When Hispanos and Brownings can hit at 800yds+ with devastating effects, killing even tanks, it takes balls to fight with Mausers. Try to intercept a massive B17 raid with a 190A-8 at 25K and you'll find why 1941-43 scenarios are more interesting than 1944-45's    

Everyone should be able to fly the preferred aircraft in a balanced arena. Our 1944-45 plane set often doesnt help the axis side. A more balanced plane set and *maybe* a rolling one could help, I dunno.

Thats why sometimes is tiring to fly for the dark side and thats why sometimes theres anymosity in arena     Just MHO.

[ 09-06-2001: Message edited by: gatt ]

[Creamo]

Ya Gatt, outrunning everything but late war D-Pony's and diving in and destroying the best allied planes in a Dora is a real MA bummer.


You guys are incredible.

[gatt]

I know my english is not very good. Sorry. What I meant is that a late 1943-45 Main Arena (or scenario) is not an easy place for the average LW pilot. It is easier for a RAF/Japanese pilot. And this doesnt mean that RAF/Japanese pilots are not good. Only that is easier. When I fly the Spitfire IX instead of my C.205, AH is *another* game for me. Still, a good Spit IX pilot can kick my bellybutton easily.

I dont think that outrunning almost everything in the arena in a Dora is fun for anyone. At some time you have to come down and slow down to hit something ...

Personally I'm not good at flying 109s and FWs but I respect those pilots. Sometimes you can loose your temper flying that crappy 109G-6  

[Creamo]

Seems like you suck, which is normal Gat. most of us do...

Pick up on the BnZ thing, helped me alot.

[Hristo]

Well, it is easier to fight them if you hate them. But it is only role playing for me. When I take a 109 or 190 up, I am looking for an Allied oportunist to shoot down. Be that Spitfire, P-51 or Spitjug. If I can make them angry, even better. Thus I would strafe chutes of Spitdweebs like Nashwan is.

Corsairs are necessary evil, LW never fought them. Same with Niks, hate fighting them - no immersion.

I really don't like fighting other LW planes, takes away immersion.

The best experience is to teach some American ingorant that his P-51 isn't so good as his daddy told him. That alone is worth 14.95$  .

Flying certain planes in 1944 is really challenge. Like fighting with one hand tied on your back. 190A-8 allows no mistakes against P-51 or F4U. However, I just might not want do allow the opportunists that chance. If I ever get back to AH, it is G-10 again. Until I get perkies for 262. The opportunists deserve no less.

[SFRT - Frenchy]

I respect both, I think both are glamorous. Flying as LW, IJN, VVS, RAF, AIC, it's just depending in what mood I am.
Anyway, when u are a true plane lover, they are all beautifull      

[Hangtime]

LW?? RAF??

Peasants.

The planes and pilots that won the war?

American.

And that's the name of THAT tune.

 

(asbestos suit on back order... oh, toejam!)

[Naso]

Hangtime!!!!

Whooooosssssssshhhhhhhhh

Smell of burned meat