FW 190 A-9 UPGRADE

[Debrody]

sure, thats why my ride loses every ho pass and unable to run away from/cant catch a spit9...     omg buncha dweebs

[HighTone]

yes we definetly need another plane that HOs on first pass, then RUNS from the fight 

Sure, cuz its the plane that does that, I guess the pilot flying it is just along for the ride. 

[VonMessa]

Sure, cuz its the plane that does that, I guess the pilot flying it is just along for the ride.  

Damn, you beat me to it  

I'm gonna use that analogy the next time I get pulled over for speeding... 

[SEseph]

Sure, cuz its the plane that does that, I guess the pilot flying it is just along for the ride. 

And you thought the Terminator movies were fictional.  

[Krusty]

I seem to recall some debunking of the gains of a A-9 on this forum for many years and backed up by many sources.

No doubt it flew and fought, but as compared to an A-8? Not much difference.

Heh, a quick search yielded this thread from early 2003 discussing the very same plane:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,80177.msg778906.html#msg778906

Some go back even earlier!

While it was supposed to have the wide wooden blades, most were made with the standard metal prop blades. While they started with a 14-blade cooling fan, this was reverted back to 12 very quickly.

Essentially the difference was in minor variations in armor thickness, the engine, and the canopy being a bit more bulged. The wings' leading edges were not armored, so much as I think that stems from armor around the ammo boxes on the outboard guns. You find similar armor setups on the A-8 Sturm craft.

Also please keep in mind our A-8 (overweight as it is) does about 408mph. The A-9 is touted as doing a whopping 418mph.

10mph difference, for the exact same plane with more armor weight. It would not change anything in the game. You want fast, you still have to fly a Dora. 


P.S. I denounce the "lighter than an A-8" comment because it carried thicker armor plating, by definition having "heavier" armor. Plane for plane, it should be heavier. Now, compared to OUR A-8, perhaps it would be slightly lighter, but our A-8 needs to lose several hundred pounds of false weight to be historically correct.

[alpini13]

at no point did I say THE A-9 was lighter that an A-8...as for debate and actual performance..well there should be only ONE source for that info....and that would be the germans building the aircraft back in 1944...NOT anybody's opinion,NOT anybody's guess,NOT anybody's thoughts or myths.....lets look at the actual facts. Focke Wulf compared the A-8,A-9,D-9,D-12  and they found that the A-9 was slower that the D-9 but faster than the A-8 at ALL altitudes  ..about 10mph faster, plus some other mods to the basic A-8 and they prototyped it then pre productioned it then put it in production and it saw active combat with at least 7 different squadrons.  there was also an A-10 that went to prototype BUT was not produced.maybe people are confusing the A-9 with the A-10? the A-10 prototyps had a 2400hp motor similiar to the bmw's in the other A series 190's..most notable on those was an air intake on the front leading edge of the left wing.we are not wishing for the A-10 or do we think it should be here. The wish is for the A-9 and it could be an easy upgrade to the game.  as for people asking for a spit12??  please post on the wishlist with info relating to it,not here.  <S>

[Babalonian]

Has anybody ever said otherwise about the Fw190A-9?  I've never heard it disputed as a valid contender for addition.

Nope.  Hell if you did a little digging below the surface of this forum, you'd find most of us would rather just settle for an A-8 that isn't the heaviest and slowest production model A-8 Focke Wulf ever produced to be in the game rather than another whole aircraft addition.

But lets go this path, I'm all for more 190s in the game (<- understatement of the year), but it still brings up the rather nasty and ugly issue on these forums of our currently modeled A-8 as it is in the game and surely (at least I know I would strongly) we'll want our A-8 still adjusted and lightened up so it differenciates well enough from the A-9 series production.

[STEELE]

Nope.  Hell if you did a little digging below the surface of this forum, you'd find most of us would rather just settle for an A-8 that isn't the heaviest and slowest production model A-8 Focke Wulf ever produced to be in the game rather than another whole aircraft addition.

But lets go this path, I'm all for more 190s in the game (<- understatement of the year), but it still brings up the rather nasty and ugly issue on these forums of our currently modeled A-8 as it is in the game and surely (at least I know I would strongly) we'll want our A-8 still adjusted and lightened up so it differenciates well enough from the A-9 series production.

Well said!  After this is taken care of I hope they add the A-9 as it will be an easy add, give the A8 a D9 canopy, and more horses.
We have the fastest Jug of the War, why not add the fastest 190A?

[Karnak]

We have the fastest Jug of the War, why not add the fastest 190A?

I've no objection to more Fw190s being added, but that is a pretty weak argument.  It can be applied to an awful lot of aircraft and would have HTC crippled as to addition choices.

[alpini13]

Thank prof kurt tank for asking for comparing the A-8 and the A-9...in his test by focke-wulf  BOTH the a-8 and the A-9 had two 13.1mm machine guns and the 4X20mm gun package, and the A-8 weiged 4300KG(9460lbs) the  A-9 weighed 4370KG for the tests. so the A-9 weighs 70kilos (154lbs)more than the A-8.i believe that is with a full fuel load.

[Krusty]

LMBO, Alpini, take a chill pill before you have an heart attack. LOL!!

I wasn't talking myth, or opinion. You're not the only one that knows how to read things, you know? A bunch of folks with a lot more resources than you or I have weighed in on this for nigh on 10 years now. You're not reinventing the wheel or anything!

Like I said, a whopping 10mph. Individual craft off the same production line could have that much variation in them due to the finish and production of the craft in question. That's not much of a difference. You have to remember that Kurt Tank was above all an excellent salesman too. He has many performance charts for combinations of aircraft that never flew nor even began production. He had estimated engine charts for some Ta152 models, for example, that never existed. He had others that only existed based on test bed performance but not real aircraft.

The condition of the tests is also sometimes in question. At what boost? With experimental power settings, etc? So naturally you have to take it all with a grain of salt.

As for the weight issue, I'm sorry if you thought I was picking on you. I wasn't. I was referring to the thread I linked. There was a comment about the A9 being lighter.

P.S. If ONLY our A8 weighed 4300 kg! If only!

[Guppy35]

In an ideal world we get all the 190 variants the LW guys want, and all the 109 variants.  And we get all the Spits, 38s, 51s 40s, etc.

Just remember next time someone asks for another Spit variant, as in XII for me, that you want all your 190s too

[Babalonian]

In an ideal world we get all the 190 variants the LW guys want, and all the 109 variants.  And we get all the Spits, 38s, 51s 40s, etc.

Just remember next time someone asks for another Spit variant, as in XII for me, that you want all your 190s too

Now we're seeing eye to eye!  And have you ever witnessed me get into an argument between you tea sippers and your adictive vices? 

And on that note, when was the last time a 190/109/spit got added to the game?  We may be jumping the gun here in presuming any of those AC familys need some TLC or attention from HTC in the imediate future.  IE: P51s would be a more logical AC to address adding some more varients to in teh game in the near ot imediate futue, I think and would much rather see a couple more varients added of that popular AC series since we only have two of them currently.  I will always personaly want 190s to come first, wouldn't mind more spits, but lets both not get tunneled visioned on what we both personaly want (besides, then we'll have more ponys to shoot down in our 190s and spitys, lol).

[DREDIOCK]

yes we definetly need another plane that HOs on first pass, then RUNS from the fight 

You mean there is a plane in the entire planeset that doesnt typically do exactly that anyway?

[Guppy35]

You mean there is a plane in the entire planeset that doesnt typically do exactly that anyway?

Yeah, my P38G