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Re: Did the Navy win the Battle of Britain?
« Reply #45 on: June 27, 2011, 09:17:09 PM »
MiloMorai, where are you getting your info?  Most of Brits radar station where put out of action and lettle was done to bring them back to operation.  So, Brits formed the British Observer corps.  Germans really had no idea of the B.O.C. was the "eye's" for RAF.

 this is what i had recalled reading.......

if this is wrong, i'd be very interested in reading up on the correct situation from the era.  :aok
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Re: Did the Navy win the Battle of Britain?
« Reply #46 on: June 27, 2011, 09:32:33 PM »
nope British bombed German city (not sure which one) they apologize, but next couple of days they bombed another German city by accident again, which set off the germane and they started bombing British cities.  which was a good thing because it stopped the planes from bombing the airfields.  so they could take off and defend England.

main thing is that not just the RAF or the e royal navy defeated the Germans but it was a combination of both.  if it hadnt been a navy they would have invaded, I am pretty sure the af would not have stopped all the ships. otoh if there wasnt a navy to keep some bombs and ships  busy there would have been more bombs over England.

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SEMP, I am trying to find info on what you told me. There is nothing on British accidentally bombed German city and Germany return to bombed British city.   This is what i am reading,
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"....August 24, a German bomber formation accidentally bombed some non-military targets in London.  Churchill's immediate response was to order a reprisal raid on Berlin. 

81 twin-engined bombers took off on August 25th with only 29 reached Berlin. This is where Germany abandoned the principal objective from August 1st. September 7, London saw the first heavy "Blitz" raid and continued for the next 57 nights. This gave RAF an opprutunity to recover their losses.
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Re: Did the Navy win the Battle of Britain?
« Reply #47 on: June 27, 2011, 09:45:13 PM »
nope British bombed German city (not sure which one) they apologize, but next couple of days they bombed another German city by accident again, which set off the germane and they started bombing British cities.  which was a good thing because it stopped the planes from bombing the airfields.  so they could take off and defend England.

main thing is that not just the RAF or the e royal navy defeated the Germans but it was a combination of both.  if it hadnt been a navy they would have invaded, I am pretty sure the af would not have stopped all the ships. otoh if there wasnt a navy to keep some bombs and ships  busy there would have been more bombs over England.

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now see? this is where i read something different yet again.

 the germans had resorted to night bombing, as their losses were too heavy in the day time. on one particular mission, the navigusser was off by a couple of degrees....this put him over london. thinking they were over their assigned target, they dropped. this outraged churchil, and now german cities were getting hit, which enraged hitler.......who then ordered englands cities hit.

 what del said about this giving the raf time to recoup their losses, and shore up their numbers, is also what iread....it was a break of sorts that they needed.
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Re: Did the Navy win the Battle of Britain?
« Reply #48 on: June 27, 2011, 09:52:03 PM »
MiloMorai, where are you getting your info?  Most of Brits radar station where put out of action and lettle was done to bring them back to operation.  So, Brits formed the British Observer corps.  Germans really had no idea of the B.O.C. was the "eye's" for RAF.

Definitely not from where you got your info. :devil

"During the battle, Chain Home stations — most notably the one at Ventnor, Isle of Wight — were attacked several times between 12 and 18 August 1940. On one occasion a section of the radar chain in Kent, including the Dover CH, was put out of action by a lucky hit on the power grid. However, though the wooden huts housing the radar equipment were damaged, the towers survived."

I didn't know that WW2 started in 1925.

"The Royal Observer Corps (ROC) was a civil defense organization operating in the United Kingdom between 29 October 1925 and 31 December 1995, when the Corps' civilian volunteers were stood down."

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Re: Did the Navy win the Battle of Britain?
« Reply #49 on: June 27, 2011, 10:09:18 PM »

I didn't know that WW2 started in 1925.



Yes, i meant used as a "last ditch defenders"
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Re: Did the Navy win the Battle of Britain?
« Reply #50 on: June 27, 2011, 10:11:53 PM »
 The Battle of Britain

The Battle of Britain started officially on 10 June 1940, when the Luftwaffe attacked a convoy of ships off Dover.   But the real air war started on 12 August (when the Luftwaffe attacked the RAF), and lasted until 31 October.  

      At first the Luftwaffe attacked radar stations and airfields.   Although the Luftwaffe lost more planes than the RAF, by the 31 August the RAF was at its last gasp – in the previous fortnight the RAF had lost 295 planes destroyed and 170 damaged, 103 pilots killed and 128 wounded.  Flying five or more ‘sorties’ a day, the young British fighter pilots (nicknamed ‘Dowding’s chicks’) were becoming exhausted; more importantly, the RAF was not training new pilots as fast the pilots were being killed.   The weekend 30-31 August was the worst weekend of the battle for the RAF, with 65 fighters destroyed and 6 of the seven sector stations in the vital south-east Group out of action.  

 Just as Fighter Command was about to collapse, however, a miracle happened.   On 24 August, by accident, some Luftwaffe  bombers had dropped their bombs on London.   The next few nights, the RAF replied by bombing Berlin.    Hitler was angry.   On 2 September he ordered his bombers to attack London.    On 7 September the Nazi bombing raid was so huge that a false alarm went round the south-east of England: code-word ‘Cromwell’ – invasion imminent.   Church bells rang and the Home Guard mobilised.   It was not known at the time but one section of coast identified by the Nazis as a landing ground was defended by a Home Guard platoon with just one machine-gun!

      Hitler’s decision to stop attacking the RAF gave it time to recover.   On 15 September, the Luftwaffe came by day in huge numbers.   It expected to sweep the RAF from the skies.   But the RAF fought them off.   At one point every British plane was in the sky – soon, some would have to come in to refuel and there were no reserves to protect them.   But the Luftwaffe, too, was at the limit and – just in time – it turned back.  

  http://www.johndclare.net/wwii6.htm

The battle begins

The battle began in mid-July and, initially, the Luftwaffe concentrated on attacking shipping in the English Channel and attacking coastal towns and defences. From 12 August, Goering shifted his focus to the destruction of the RAF, attacking airfields and radar bases. Convinced that Fighter Command was now close to defeat, he also tried to force air battles between fighter planes to definitively break British strength.

However, Goering grew frustrated by the large number of British planes that were still fighting off his attacks. On 4 September, the Luftwaffe switched tactics again and, on Hitler's orders, set about destroying London and other major cities.

Eleven days later, on what became known as 'Battle of Britain Day', the RAF savaged the huge incoming Luftwaffe formations in the skies above London and the south coast.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/battle_of_britain
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Re: Did the Navy win the Battle of Britain?
« Reply #51 on: June 27, 2011, 10:25:35 PM »
A bit melodramatic Cap. Every RAF a/c was not in the air. 13 Group a/c were to far away to participate.