A Korean war arena

[LEADPIG]

I wonder if Hitech's flight model can handle faster-than-sound speeds? Can he handle the compression, the shock waves, the stresses, etc? Or is his model mostly sub-sonic?

The F-86 and mig-15 mostly operated in the subsonic flight regime they rarely went supersonic. Mostly in dives

[LEADPIG]

It has by no means been a unanimous opinion that a Korea setting would be good.

I, for example, think it would be complete crap and see very little use once the "Ohhhh, free jets!" syndrome had worn off.  You also have to either perk the F-86 or else have the Korea arena basically be the F-86 arena, and perking the F-86 makes it not so much a Korea setting.

I don't think so. Why would the F-86 need to be perked going against the Mig-15? I'm basically talking about a Korean type dogfight arena. But even still the F-86 would not need to be perked.

[STEELE]

I wonder if Hitech's flight model can handle faster-than-sound speeds? Can he handle the compression, the shock waves, the stresses, etc? Or is his model mostly sub-sonic?

The F-86 and mig-15 mostly operated in the subsonic flight regime they rarely went supersonic. Mostly in dives

when that defector brought a Mig-15 to the US base, they brought it home to the states, dived it from 55k, almost died-couldnt pull out till around 2000ft, and still didnt break the sound barrier. (according to the reports)

I don't think so. Why would the F-86 need to be perked going against the Mig-15? I'm basically talking about a Korean type dogfight arena. But even still the F-86 would not need to be perked.

Mig-15 has a higher ceiling and turns better at high alts, also I would rather have the cannon/tater package

[Karnak]

I don't think so. Why would the F-86 need to be perked going against the Mig-15? I'm basically talking about a Korean type dogfight arena. But even still the F-86 would not need to be perked.

If the F-86 were not perked, the arena would basically be an F-86 fratricide arena as many, many more people will fly the F-86 than will fly the MiG-15.

If the F-86 is perked it won't be a very good Korean arena.

It is a problem.

[Volron]

I may have come here for WW2 Era Birds, but I would not at all be against Korean Era Birds.  The one thing I want to see though, is the WW2 line up to be filled out BEFORE we venture into the Korean Era, which includes the Spanish Civil War and the Invasion of China.  Not trying to pick a fight here but, I honestly do not know why some folks are against a Korean Era Arena, especially if they filled out the WW2 line first.  If you don't want jets, then simply don't go there.

Karnak
I don't want to put you "on the spot" as well, but you have me curious.  Why do you believe that a Korean Arena would be an F-86 only Arena?  I'm not attacking you or anything, I'm just curious to your reason for saying this.

+1 on this idea, but farther down the line.

[MaSonZ]

I wonder if Hitech's flight model can handle faster-than-sound speeds? Can he handle the compression, the shock waves, the stresses, etc? Or is his model mostly sub-sonic?

I ask because an issue with IL2 mods a while back. Apparently somebody was making a Vietnam mod but the game breaks if you go above certain alts or faster than the speed of sound. It doesn't model them properly.

I wonder if HTC's model takes all that into account of if he would have to redo the base system to do some of this.

this, and also... if it can handle it, how many machines would be able to handle it fresh off the shelf? A good many of us have machines built for better performance, but there are still some who run an off the shelf Dell or HP...

[Karnak]

Volron,

Imagine an arena in which you have the P-51D (F-86), Yak-9U (MiG-15), Hurricane Mk I (Sea Fury), F4F-4 (F4U) and Ju88A-4 (B-29).  What percentage of the aircraft in that arena do you imagine will be the very popular American fighter as opposed to the potent, but not popular "Commie" fighter, and some old prop jobs?

[MK-84]

I wonder if Hitech's flight model can handle faster-than-sound speeds? Can he handle the compression, the shock waves, the stresses, etc? Or is his model mostly sub-sonic?

The F-86 and mig-15 mostly operated in the subsonic flight regime they rarely went supersonic. Mostly in dives

I was not aware that the F86 or Mig-15 could break the sound barrier.   Can someone verify this?

[Slash27]

If the F-86 were not perked, the arena would basically be an F-86 fratricide arena as many, many more people will fly the F-86 than will fly the MiG-15.

If the F-86 is perked it won't be a very good Korean arena.

It is a problem.

Why would it have to be a 3 CHess piece arena?  Two countries = Sabre vs F@got= no need for perks.

[Guppy35]

If the F-86 were not perked, the arena would basically be an F-86 fratricide arena as many, many more people will fly the F-86 than will fly the MiG-15.

If the F-86 is perked it won't be a very good Korean arena.

It is a problem.

Back in the old AW Korea arena the 86s and Migs seemed to be about even.  We had a good Korea Scenario at one point too.  Was great fun leading the 18th FBW F51Ds.  Even more fun watching the Migs auger trying to dive and turn with us on the deck

Ahh those shark mouthed F51Ds......

[Karnak]

Why would it have to be a 3 CHess piece arena?  Two countries = Sabre vs F@got= no need for perks.

Then you have the vast majority of the players on the side with the F-86 hoping to see a player take up a MiG-15 so they can gang him.

[iron650]

If the F-86 were not perked, the arena would basically be an F-86 fratricide arena as many, many more people will fly the F-86 than will fly the MiG-15.

If the F-86 is perked it won't be a very good Korean arena.

It is a problem.

So you're saying that would be a problem. Fly in the WWI arena and most of the planes you see will be the Fokker Dr.1 and Dr.7. We still play on there so what you are saying is that the F-86 would fill an arena and that practically happened in the WWI arena. Yet, we don't perk either the Dr.1 or the Dr.7.

[USAFPilot]

THIS IS WORLD WAR II!!! NOT KOREA!!!

[Volron]

Why would it have to be a 3 CHess piece arena?  Two countries = Sabre vs F@got= no need for perks.

I have to side with Karnak on his response.  If it was a 2 country system, I get the feeling most WOULD be flying Allied for the F-86.

THIS IS WORLD WAR II!!! NOT KOREA!!!

Oh?  We have a WW1 arena...  Still not seeing why we shouldn't venture into the Korean Era, AFTER the WW2 line is filled.

Karnak
I don't think the F-86 would lord over the MiG-15 as much as you think.  US pilots were better trained than their Korean counterparts, most of which were Chinese/Korean.  Soviets were better trained than they were and probably on par with US pilots.  Now it being chosen because it's American, you won't get an argument from me.  We all know that alone is the reason a lot will choose it.  But I am more than certain that you will have dedicated MiG-15 pilots.  On a side note, I didn't know the Yak-9U was that much better at high alt than the 51...   I'm a bit serious.  I've only flown the Yak-9U 3+ times since I started AH in Sept-Aug of 09.  And I've only flown the 51 as Jabo, so my experience with these planes are rather limited.

Hopefully someone with books on these 2 planes will come in here and post detailed info about them.  Regardless, I'm still +1 on a Korean Era Arena down the line.

[iron650]

+1

After WWII line is filled.