P47's might like this :D

[pervert]

like i said,it was boring up until 4 minutes when i got into the scissors dogfight with that f4.thats not a training video,its just a random clip i had.

as far as the HOing group goes,enemy or friendly?

the only good example of a dogfight in that video was the scissors fight vs the f4

03:20 Lu in F6F turns into you, I have no doubt he was trying to get around to HO you but you win accept it regardless and win that HO. Then 03:47 RedDevil comes in with a 40 mph advantage and trys to get out of guns, again you have your pipper straight on him coming up to the merge as he rejects the HO on the merge you shoot him, 5:48 is kinda dubious as well 06:08 another nose to nose merge RedDevil has the airspeed to maneavour his plane to put guns on you, I think his mistake is rejecting the HO something you take full advantage of.

06:28 you again accept a HO on the merge and win it.

I feel some sympathy for RedDEVIL here, he went out to have a fight with you and you took advantage of the fact he didn't want to simply stick his dot on your dot head on and squeeze the trigger. Now your going to say oh but he didn't have guns on me, well if both people keep guns on each other in a merge the 2 collide, your taking advantage of the fact he doesn't want to ram you.

The fact you left his conversation with him in the film tells me you don't really see much problem with flying this way. Personally if you are training people to fly in this way thats something they could figure out themselves.

The only thing I've learnt here is the jug can take a lot of punishment has lots of guns and ammo so the best thing to do is HO everyone. That might sound harsh but thats what I see in this video.

[pervert]

And btw the sequence with the pony at 02:13 in Joach1m's video, you might want to look at that as an example of how to avoid a HO and use it to your advantage to set up a shot.

[LThunderpocket]

03:20 Lu in F6F turns into you, I have no doubt he was trying to get around to HO you but you win accept it regardless and win that HO. Then 03:47 RedDevil comes in with a 40 mph advantage and trys to get out of guns, again you have your pipper straight on him coming up to the merge as he rejects the HO on the merge you shoot him, 5:48 is kinda dubious as well 06:08 another nose to nose merge RedDevil has the airspeed to maneavour his plane to put guns on you, I think his mistake is rejecting the HO something you take full advantage of.

06:28 you again accept a HO on the merge and win it.

I feel some sympathy for RedDEVIL here, he went out to have a fight with you and you took advantage of the fact he didn't want to simply stick his dot on your dot head on and squeeze the trigger. Now your going to say oh but he didn't have guns on me, well if both people keep guns on each other in a merge the 2 collide, your taking advantage of the fact he doesn't want to ram you.

The fact you left his conversation with him in the film tells me you don't really see much problem with flying this way. Personally if you are training people to fly in this way thats something they could figure out themselves.

The only thing I've learnt here is the jug can take a lot of punishment has lots of guns and ammo so the best thing to do is HO everyone. That might sound harsh but thats what I see in this video.

i ususally try to avoid the HO.but the dogfight with reddevil i saw it as a scissors movement and took shots when i could,regardless of where he was.how could i tell he wasnt gonna shoot me?its kill or be killed.like i told him,flying that way will get you killed.if you want rules in a dogfight in the MA then you are out of your mind,especially when you dont know who it was.if you want to do a dogfight with rules then go to the DA 1v1 area.

[greens]

joachim gf, as for trollboy, get a life insteada using this thread as a forum perk booster.

[The Fugitive]

i ususally try to avoid the HO.but the dogfight with reddevil i saw it as a scissors movement and took shots when i could,regardless of where he was.how could i tell he wasnt gonna shoot me?its kill or be killed.like i told him,flying that way will get you killed.if you want rules in a dogfight in the MA then you are out of your mind,especially when you dont know who it was.if you want to do a dogfight with rules then go to the DA 1v1 area.

You didn't deviate at all in your HO on me tonight. A HO is is a chicken**** move much like running to ack is. The game is all about fighting, throwing a crap load of lead into someones face isn't a fight, it's just a crap shoot.

[pervert]

how could i tell he wasnt gonna shoot me?

Well on the first merge he trys to go under you, thats a pretty good sign he doesn't want to accept a HO on the merge. Later on in the fight he has the E to get his nose around on you, the rolling scissors sequence your talking about you actually lost that as RedDEVIL is gaining on you until you stall at 05:09 , you and he start to turn nose to nose if you pause at 05:45 and look from RedDevil's view he has the airspeed to get his nose around and HO you. 06:05 pause it again and look at RedDevil's view and airspeed, he can HO here if he wants he doesn't and ends up losing a wing.

Personally I wouldn't have given you a second chance after you HOed me on the merge, if someone HOs me on the merge they will do it every chance they get, if you hear guns chattering on the merge thats a sign they will do it every merge or every chance they get. Also look for for someone who is flying pipper to your plane leading up to the merge, if you are flying to merge without HOing they will be correcting their aim for a shot on you.

[JOACH1M]

joachim gf, as for trollboy, get a life insteada using this thread as a forum perk booster.

[shiv]

Nice flying Joachim <<S>>

[JOACH1M]

Nice flying Joachim <<S>>

Thanks shiv <S>!

[JOACH1M]

And btw the sequence with the pony at 02:13 in Joach1m's video, you might want to look at that as an example of how to avoid a HO and use it to your advantage to set up a shot.

Yes, I knew the HOing ponies gave away their tactics, HO and turn around thinking they can get another shot at me. So I pulled off angle to throw off their shot. And slowly turning to gety reverse shot in. The 47m is a very good match of for a 51, about equal turn, and slow speed menuevering.

[bj229r]

M can do that vertical thing the other jugs simply can't...that D11 guy ought have tried somethin different.... (very nice sortie ) Ya hardly ever see people in M's who do naught but ho,ran/run like La7

[JOACH1M]

M can do that vertical thing the other jugs simply can't...that D11 guy ought have tried somethin different.... (very nice sortie ) Ya hardly ever see people in M's who do naught but ho,ran/run like La7

yes the M is the best jug, the d11 being my favorite though   

[JUGgler]

yes the M is the best jug, the d11 being my favorite though   

Pfft!  I will eat Ms quite consistently with a "N"aughty JUG 

No doubt the M is nice but I feel I can toss the N around a bit better.




JUGgler

[JOACH1M]

Pfft!  I will eat Ms quite consistently with a "N"aughty JUG 

No doubt the M is nice but I feel I can toss the N around a bit better.




JUGgler

I don't know. If I put you against a pilot with equal skill as you the N would mostly likely fall. But in te MA, nobody dealt knows how to fight in a jug in your case n powns the m 

[bj229r]

Pfft!  I will eat Ms quite consistently with a "N"aughty JUG 

No doubt the M is nice but I feel I can toss the N around a bit better.




JUGgler

the N has...character (also handles better at low speed than M, as I could tell, havent flown one this year, I dont think)