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Offline Slade

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Scores vs. Skill Idea
« on: July 03, 2011, 08:07:49 AM »
Hello,

With respect to scores, perhaps shooting down a Spit16 in a C202 (or A6M2, BF109e etc.) should amount to more than an LA7 shooting one down as it applies to scores?  A lot more.  Proportional.  Of course there are perks for such a sortie (different topic).

The premise is this: should the plane you are in when shooting down an opponent be factored in in a meaningful, accurate and proportionate way?

I am not score obsessed BTW.  This just occurred to me though.

Perhaps this kinda change could lead to the score obsessed flying other planes besides Spit16s, LA7s, Tempest etc.  If killing a Spit16 in a Wildcat was equivalent to getting 3 kills score-wise.  Do you see?  ;-)

I look forward to your comments.

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Re: Scores vs. Skill Idea
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2011, 08:46:46 AM »
To state the obvious: this would be all too ripe for abuse, moreso than the system we have in place already.

Just be satisfied to see: "System: Slade dished out pwnsauce in his craptastic fighter for 3 kills"

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Re: Scores vs. Skill Idea
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2011, 08:56:34 AM »
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this would be all too ripe for abuse

Please explain how it would be abused.  I am not talking about Channel 200 announcements.  No change suggested there.

If abusing it by flying non-perky planes to shoot down perky planes is bad. ;-)

Thanks for spelling this out.
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Re: Scores vs. Skill Idea
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2011, 09:27:17 AM »
Slade,
shooting down a spit16 in a c202 counts more than shooting down a c202 in a spit16. Its in the "kill points" section. Not AS much as you suggest, but its there. Anyway i give a +1 to increase its weight.
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Re: Scores vs. Skill Idea
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2011, 09:31:35 AM »
I read the title and the first thing I thought was it would show how many 2v1's 3v1's 4v1's etc. That person has won and lost. Just my 2cents
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Re: Scores vs. Skill Idea
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2011, 09:40:21 AM »
OMG.  More people picking, HOing and vulching.  Yep, that's just what we need.

I fly a XVI most often but not because I'm score obsessed.  It's because I've always flown Spits.  They are what drew me to these games 15 years ago.  Since I'm generally a loner my XVI gives me confidence to jump into a 3, 4 or more on one in the MA's knowing I have a decent chance of getting out alive.

There's more to score than your name in lights and more to skill than the plane you fly.

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Re: Scores vs. Skill Idea
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2011, 10:13:00 AM »
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I think our current systems works well. Also flying a Spit16 or an La7 does not make you invincible, so I have no problem with people flying them (I actaully have more problems with K4s & D9s than Spit16s and La7s).
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Re: Scores vs. Skill Idea
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2011, 10:33:32 AM »
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Re: Scores vs. Skill Idea
« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2011, 11:41:19 AM »
Most score obsessed players only fly a limited number of very low risk vulching sorties in fighter mode.  Nothing would change on their end. 
It might however, encourage other players to try those rides when they see: SYSTEM: SkOrEdUDe landed four kills in a C.202 of LOOK at ME!
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Re: Scores vs. Skill Idea
« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2011, 11:46:46 AM »
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Re: Scores vs. Skill Idea
« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2011, 11:48:50 AM »
I fly a XVI most often but not because I'm score obsessed.  It's because I've always flown Spits.  They are what drew me to these games 15 years ago.  Since I'm generally a loner my XVI gives me confidence to jump into a 3, 4 or more on one in the MA's knowing I have a decent chance of getting out alive.
Thats the point. In a spit16 you have a decent chance against 3-4 p38s, la5s, 109Gs etc etc.

Btw IMO this thingy would result less p51s, spit16s, run-90s etc, summa summarum more mid-war-early war birds, less pick n run, more turn n burn. Its more fun to turn than to run straight, but its only me.
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Re: Scores vs. Skill Idea
« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2011, 01:36:47 PM »
Cool replies.  Thanks!

I always learn a lot preposing my crazy ideas.   :lol

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first thing I thought was it would show how many 2v1's 3v1's 4v1's

That would be interesting. +1

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because I've always flown Spits.  They are what drew me to these games 15 years ago.

So fly a Spit V ;-)  I hear your point though.

Again, this idea is coming from someone that does not closely follow score.  I did not know it was already factored in (thx).  I do look at kill ratio stats as a tool to gauge how effective some techniques that I do are etc.

BTW, if\when I get my name in lights it is usually by error.  Just got lucky.  I've been flying 109g2 lately and more than happy landing just one kill or even just making it back to base alive.  :lol
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Re: Scores vs. Skill Idea
« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2011, 02:43:08 PM »
Hello,

With respect to scores, perhaps shooting down a Spit16 in a C202 (or A6M2, BF109e etc.) should amount to more than an LA7 shooting one down as it applies to scores?  A lot more.  Proportional.  Of course there are perks for such a sortie (different topic).



Skill is already somewhat factored into the scores.  For example, if you fly a C.205 and engage a P-51D and win, you get more points for that kill as opposed to flying a P-51D and shooting down a C.205.

Honestly, I see this wish less about wanting "quality fights" and more about getting people to fly the planes you want them to fly for whatever reasons you may have.  People should be less concerned with what others fly and instead spend time on improving their flying and then what someone else flies will no longer bothersome.

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Re: Scores vs. Skill Idea
« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2011, 03:02:45 PM »
Skill is already somewhat factored into the scores.  For example, if you fly a C.205 and engage a P-51D and win, you get more points for that kill as opposed to flying a P-51D and shooting down a C.205.


This is not factored into the scores at all. You get more perks, but for score & rank it does not matter what if you make a kill in a P-40B or a Tempest.
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Re: Scores vs. Skill Idea
« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2011, 03:41:57 PM »
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This is not factored into the scores at all. You get more perks, but for score & rank it does not matter what if you make a kill in a P-40B or a Tempest.

Bingo.  

That was my hunch too but some are suggesting here that it is.  I did not mention the word "rank" but I meant too.  One and the same in this context.

I was just pondering this and wondering if it was factored in proportionately.  I don't need nor necessarily want my name in lights.  I love that fact this game exists in the quality that it does!  THAT is good enough for me.

One of those scratching your head moments...I wonder if the plane is factored into the formula for rank etc.

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