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Offline TonyJoey

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Re: Casey Anthony Trial
« Reply #150 on: July 08, 2011, 04:45:22 PM »
I agree there was no direct evidence.  The circumstantial was overwhelming enough to convict though.

And that's where we disagree.

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Re: Casey Anthony Trial
« Reply #151 on: July 08, 2011, 05:05:33 PM »
How much more circumstantial evidence could there have been?  List:

1. She was last to see her presumably
2. She was the only one who would benefit from her death
3. She did not report it
4. She lied and lied and lied some more, came up with outlandish tales as to what happened to the little girl before admitting she was lying
5. Searched chloroform 84 times
6. Searched neck breaking
7. And to top it off, her car smelt like death
8. Duct tape linked to Anthony house found at crime scene.

Um... what more would be required for a case of all circumstantial evidence to prove beyond reasonable doubt for you TonyJoey?  If this list does not do it for you then you simply do not value this type of logical/common sense type of evidence as true evidence.

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Re: Casey Anthony Trial
« Reply #152 on: July 08, 2011, 05:13:07 PM »
I agree with the verdict.  It all boils down to "beyond a shadow of a doubt" and even though there was tons of circumstantial evidence it still could have all been a crazy coincidence.  I've seen my share of crazy coincidences that's for sure!  Now personally I believe that she did it.. or was at least was involved somehow but trials are not about belief.  They are about FACTS.  Simply put there was no 'smoking gun' piece of evidence to link her to the crime directly.

WHAT THAT BEING SAID I think they could have approached this in a different manner.  I think she should have been charged with a lesser crime - maybe manslaughter or child endangerment... something that would have put her behind bars for a longer period of time while they had more time to get further evidence together to get her for murder.  The prosecution simply tried to do too much with too little and that's what brought things to this conclusion.

I'm not too worried though.  Karma can be a real... well you know the saying.

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Re: Casey Anthony Trial
« Reply #153 on: July 08, 2011, 05:15:34 PM »
I'm not too worried though.  Karma can be a real... well you know the saying.

I didn't follow this trial much, and though I hate to say it, she'll be back.  We'll hear about the money she makes off the book and/or movie and/or porno.  She'll get herself into some other trouble that the news will feel the need to cover.  I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if she finds herself behind bars again in the next few years.
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Re: Casey Anthony Trial
« Reply #154 on: July 08, 2011, 05:23:09 PM »
It all boils down to "beyond a shadow of a doubt"

Not true.  Read slapshot's post.

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Re: Casey Anthony Trial
« Reply #155 on: July 08, 2011, 06:17:19 PM »
This is all just a very sad deal.

The cause of death could not be determined, the time of death could not be determined, the location of death could not be determined.

It's just a bad set of circumstances that made it difficult to get a conviction.

I believe if the prosecution could have presented evidence and not theory as to the cause of death, it might have went different.

The whole thing sucks, but I don't blame the jury.

There just has to be more than "Who else could have done it?"

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Re: Casey Anthony Trial
« Reply #156 on: July 08, 2011, 07:09:07 PM »
1. She was last to see her presumably - assumption
2. She was the only one who would benefit from her death - assumption
3. She did not report it - truth
4. She lied and lied and lied some more, came up with outlandish tales as to what happened to the little girl before admitting she was lying - truth
5. Searched chloroform 84 times - assumption
6. Searched neck breaking - assumption
7. And to top it off, her car smelt like death - evidence was inconclusive
8. Duct tape linked to Anthony house found at crime scene. - truth

So, if 3,4 and 8 are true that does not lead to 'beyond reasonable doubt' as to her being the killer. It does cast a lot of suspicion towards her though.



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Re: Casey Anthony Trial
« Reply #157 on: July 08, 2011, 07:12:14 PM »
1. She was last to see her presumably
2. She was the only one who would benefit from her death
3. She did not report it
4. She lied and lied and lied some more, came up with outlandish tales as to what happened to the little girl before admitting she was lying
5. Searched chloroform 84 times
6. Searched neck breaking
7. And to top it off, her car smelt like death
8. Duct tape linked to Anthony house found at crime scene.
The idea that she would benefit from it goes hand in hand with the motive that you said yourself that you didn't buy. She had been lying and decieveing for years, why would this be any different? The software used to get the 84 search results was in its infacy. The tried and true test came up with 1 search of chloroform. The car was inconclusive and irrelevant anyway as to whether she drowned or whether she was killed, and I've already addressed the duct tape. If the cause of death was suffocation, I would convict.

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Re: Casey Anthony Trial
« Reply #158 on: July 08, 2011, 07:21:12 PM »
Quote from: SlapShot

In hindsight tho, the drowning theory was brilliant because it could never be proven one way or the other because there was nothing but bones left of the little girl and you can't prove or disprove drowning without lungs.

Yes you can if the conditions are right.

Those conditions are:

1- Victim drowns in a body of water that is exposed to the elements for some time. AKA a pool, swamp, sea, lake or river. Not a kitchen sink or bathtub.

2- There is bone marrow left in the long bones (femur/humerus).

In this case there was no bone marrow left in the long bones because they had been scavenged by predators. Normally in an adult human the predators cannot get to that marrow but in a child's bones they get to it easily.

The evidence of drowning is left in the bones via diatom absorption. As the victim drowns, the water enters the lungs and comes into contact with the alveoli...which allows the algae-like diatoms to be absorbed directly into the bloodstream. In the half a minute that it takes the person to drown, the hearbeat will carry that blood to the long bones where the marrow absorbs the diatoms and they are left there as evidence.

A normal human has an extremely low, almost insignificant diatom count in their bone marrow..but when the drowning takes place the diatom count significantly increases above normal levels.

Now this is not a 100% definitive evidence of drowning since some people do asphixiate first before drowning (holding breath until they pass out and then the water gets in the lungs...and thats not enough time for the blood to pump the diatoms into the long bones) but when its present its a big red flag to the cause of death being drowning.

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Re: Casey Anthony Trial
« Reply #159 on: July 08, 2011, 07:24:03 PM »
Grizz, you mentioned that the prosecution, through duct tape and expert testimony, proved it was a murder. However Dr. G, the medical examiner, concluded it was a murder based on circumstances alone, not on any scientific data whatsoever. Also, the duct tape had no DNA or anything that would tie Casey to it. Not only that, but they had no cause of death. Therefore, the Prosecution could not disprove the theory that she drowned. With that still as a possibility, I think reasonable doubt was there.

I thought that was a huge mistake on the part of the prosecusion and the case was over right then, this whole case has bene a huge joke to me.  Would you hire a plumber to trim a tree?  Any prosecutor worth their paycheck will NEVER look to a forensic medical examiner, who has a medical science degree (not a criminal law degree, not a degree on human or social behaviors, etc.) for anything other than unspeculative conclusive data, analysis and facts on the condition of the body.  They might as well of called her 2nd-grade english teacher to the stand and asked them if they thought Casey would grow up and of been a horrible neglecting parent someday.
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Re: Casey Anthony Trial
« Reply #160 on: July 08, 2011, 07:45:55 PM »
I thought that was a huge mistake on the part of the prosecusion and the case was over right then, this whole case has bene a huge joke to me.  Would you hire a plumber to trim a tree?  Any prosecutor worth their paycheck will NEVER look to a forensic medical examiner, who has a medical science degree (not a criminal law degree, not a degree on human or social behaviors, etc.) for anything other than unspeculative conclusive data, analysis and facts on the condition of the body.  They might as well of called her 2nd-grade english teacher to the stand and asked them if they thought Casey would grow up and of been a horrible neglecting parent someday.

While I wouldn't go that far, I definately agree with you.

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Re: Casey Anthony Trial
« Reply #161 on: July 08, 2011, 09:07:48 PM »
I agree with the verdict.  It all boils down to "beyond a shadow of a doubt" and even though there was tons of circumstantial evidence it still could have all been a crazy coincidence.  I've seen my share of crazy coincidences that's for sure!  Now personally I believe that she did it.. or was at least was involved somehow but trials are not about belief.  They are about FACTS.  Simply put there was no 'smoking gun' piece of evidence to link her to the crime directly.

WHAT THAT BEING SAID I think they could have approached this in a different manner.  I think she should have been charged with a lesser crime - maybe manslaughter or child endangerment... something that would have put her behind bars for a longer period of time while they had more time to get further evidence together to get her for murder.  The prosecution simply tried to do too much with too little and that's what brought things to this conclusion.


I'm not too worried though.  Karma can be a real... well you know the saying.


You should have watched the verdict.

Count 1: 1st Degree Murder - Not Guilty

Count 2: Aggravated Manslaughter of a Child - Not Guilty

Count 3: Aggravated Endangerment of a Child - Not Guilty

Count4-7: Providing false information to law enforcement - Guilty
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Re: Casey Anthony Trial
« Reply #162 on: July 08, 2011, 09:59:22 PM »
Tigger, what you suggested is double jeopardy.
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Re: Casey Anthony Trial
« Reply #163 on: July 08, 2011, 10:12:44 PM »
I found this interesting... ignore the hoopla and watch the last 30 seconds.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/07/lightning-strikes-tree-near-caylee-anthony-memorial-site/

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Offline TonyJoey

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Re: Casey Anthony Trial
« Reply #164 on: July 08, 2011, 10:26:18 PM »
While I hope she can turn her life around, I feel she'll be back in trouble before long.