109/190 overview

[Krupinski]

I'll take a P47 on in an A5 or 152 any day, if you had to compare each one to another plane in the game, they'd be the most similar.

[PJ_Godzilla]

While it's true - and has been commented - that 109 control stiffness above 500kts is notable, never forget that all 109s come equipped with a large speed brake. Most call it the rudder but, full deployed and combined with the right throttle setting, it will keep you from needing your trim keys. I use the speed brake a lot when carrying gondos because this, combined with the stellar climb of the g-14, enables you to get alt quickly, dive in a controlled manner to acquire a 6, get the snapshot, and then zoom out after zeroing the rudder.

True, that drag burns E - also true: you can't retain all your E in a dive with the 109  -the high speed handling won't permit it.

Otherwise, it's the only fighter that feels "right" to me somehow. I think it's the climb and WEP and range of underwing stores (all of which detract from pure fighting ability). Now, someone please tell me how best to defeat a SpitXVI with a G-14 from a co-E situation. 

[Debrody]

Otherwise, it's the only fighter that feels "right" to me somehow. I think it's the climb and WEP and range of underwing stores (all of which detract from pure fighting ability). Now, someone please tell me how best to defeat a SpitXVI with a G-14 from a co-E situation. 

if your plane cant win the fight, then you have to fly better than the opponent  : )
overshoot, snapshot

[Raptor05121]

Well guys. My first two hours in a G6 landed me 4 kills in three sorties, so I think I'll be flying her from now often. Anyone have any in-depth reading on the 6?

[Debrody]

Sir,
i spent my whole AH career in the G-6. Pm me, what you want to know, ill answer.

[PJ_Godzilla]

if your plane cant win the fight, then you have to fly better than the opponent  : )
overshoot, snapshot

So, if I'm reading you correctly, force the overshoot since the XVI is notoriously miserly on keeping its E. Then snap the ponk-ace, in keeping with the fact that only the worst type of scoreponk flies the XVI... Am I reading you correctly? I gues=s my next question would be how best to force the overshoot. My natural inclination, from my old Dora time, is to roll. This is good for forcing, generally, a missed shot and overshoot on the high-speed b n' z pass or, worst case, a rolling scissor fight. Most of these pony and jug boys like to see you turn because they can hit a turner - so I don't do it. However, because the 109's roll rate is no doubt worse than the XVI's (especially when I'm saddled with my gondies) and because the XVI generally comes in for a bite with a lot less smash, usually I just get killed for this tactic when I'm up against the Spitty. So then what? Snap Roll? Pull into an accelerated stall? What?

[Debrody]

Sir,
i dont want to disappoint you, but in a stallfight, the G14 has no chance agains the spit16, that spitty can do everything better than the Gustav. Against an equal pilot, you will lose every single time.
What you can try?
I like the fast snap-rolls, repeat them many times, burn as much speed as i can, open the flaps, kick the rudder, chop throttle, and you may have a chance til the spitty realizes that you got behind him and starts a sustained turn or finally can open its flaps. You have two very small speed-windows when the planes are almost equal: 165-180mph (second flapnotch) and under 100mph where the nose-heavy 109 can gain advantage in the vertical hammerhead-style reversals.
   I dont like to turn with the spitfires if i have too much fuel. In the G-6 i avoid the turnfights with them when i have more than 50% fuel. The G-14 isnt as much heavyer than the G-6, even with the tater gun, what gives you an awsome firepower for the snapshots. I never fly with the gondolas on, it may be hard to aim the tater, but once you get used to it, it makes you almost unstoppable.
   There are virtuoses, like Krupnski, who mastered the tailslide tactics. It can be useful if you exactly know how the plane will turn to the control inputs, but can turn you into an easy, big target right in front of the opponents guns. Ask a muppet, they will show you how to reverse in the top of the scissors, basically 70% throttle, pull the stick full back n left plus full right rudder at very low speeds and the plane will turn instantly nose-down.
 

[Ardy123]

Against equal pilots, in a co-e situation, you have one chance to nail a spit16, so don't updog it. The 109s can slow down much faster, so force an overshoot and take the snapshot, if you fail, run!

Thankfully, most spit 16 pilots are not very good, so you can often get away with turning with them and still win.

[Raptor05121]

Whats the general consensus on the G6? Avoid turn-fighting? It seems a 38L and Spitty can out-turn me, so what to do with them, BnZ?

Whats a good way to get someone off your tail with this? Its not as easy to bleed speed as the 51

[Slade]

A plane with a great roll rate can beat a plane that turns well.  Not just in the vertical...  

A 190-A5's roll rate is incredible.  If you are directly above a plane you can out roll it's uber turning as you come down on them.  Being directly above them is ideal for this technique.  In effect, you have nullified the planes superior turn-ability.

At least on this pass.  ;-)

[PJ_Godzilla]

Only problem being, unless you land the shot, you'll run out of E or alt, depending on whether you're rolling nose up or nose down... Of course, your quarry is burning it too in his high-g turn.

[Debrody]

Whats the general consensus on the G6? Avoid turn-fighting? It seems a 38L and Spitty can out-turn me, so what to do with them, BnZ?

Whats a good way to get someone off your tail with this? Its not as easy to bleed speed as the 51

The p-38 shouldnt outturn you. Be brave against them, dont be afraid about the turnfights, avoid their rope and you cant lose. hint:open the flaps, kick the rudder, force the overshoot

[Krusty]

Once a P-38 drops flaps and commits to a turn fight with your 109G6 take your fight nose-high, as the P-38 will now be much less capable in the vertical. Roll over on him or if he dives away now you're behind him and can control the fight better.

[Ardy123]

109s and 190s climb very well, much better than most people realize. The reason is because people often keep full power until the torque causes them to get dragged over and down. As an experiment, go vert & as your airspeed reaches ~100 gently pull off the throttle until by the time your going 65mph you have the throttle off, you will be surprised how far you climb and 'glide' vertically. Then, to reverse, give some rudder and just enough throttle to roll and drop the nose.

[Krusty]

I think most people know the reputation of a 109 is to be a monster of a climber. The 190s won't do it nearly as well, having a much worse sustained climb rate, but are still sometimes better than the average US ride they might meet in combat.