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Offline cut67

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German Heavy Bomber
« on: July 12, 2011, 04:20:33 AM »
I dont know if there was one during the war other than the HE111 but it would be nice to see some German/Russian Heavy bombers <S>
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Offline Krusty

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Re: German Heavy Bomber
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2011, 09:17:26 AM »
Germany and Soviet Russia didn't need or depend on heavy bombers, nor could their battle tactics or their strategic plans benefit from them.

They just didn't work that way. That's why they don't have any.
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Re: German Heavy Bomber
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2011, 09:50:51 AM »
Quote from: Krusty on July 12, 2011, 09:17:26 AM
Germany and Soviet Russia didn't need or depend on heavy bombers, nor could their battle tactics or their strategic plans benefit from them.

They just didn't work that way. That's why they don't have any.
Yeah  I read up on it and the Germans Halted their heavy bomber making due to the cost and how it wouldnt benefit to their style of fighting
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Offline Krusty

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Re: German Heavy Bomber
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2011, 12:34:57 PM »
Don't misunderstand heavy effort vs heavy bombers. The Germans put a lot of effort into bombers and used them throughout the war. However, they were all medium or light bombers. Not what you would compare to a B-17 or Lancaster. Often twin-engined.

There was a heavy emphasis on bombers, but not "heavy" bombers, if you see the distinction?
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Re: German Heavy Bomber
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2011, 01:14:08 PM »
didnt the germans have a big 4 engine plane called the condor? or was it just a transport plane?  :salute
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Re: German Heavy Bomber
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2011, 01:49:07 PM »
Essentially a long-range airliner converted to maritime patrol (light bomb load to drop on shipping) but it was not a heavy bomber. It was large and it was decidedly fragile, often breaking its own back when landing.
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Offline iron650

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Re: German Heavy Bomber
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2011, 01:51:36 PM »
Well, we should either the He111, Do217, or maybe even the Do17z.
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Re: German Heavy Bomber
« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2011, 02:23:17 PM »
Quote from: iron650 on July 12, 2011, 01:51:36 PM
Well, we should either the He111, Do217, or maybe even the Do17z.
I would favor the Ju188A over the Do217E, but either would be very nice.  The He111 is needed as a scenario bomber much as the G4M was.  Do17z, well, maybe someday but it has to be far down the list.
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Re: German Heavy Bomber
« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2011, 03:08:46 PM »
The Do17Z was barely adequate during the invasion of Poland and France. During Battle of Britain times it was obsolete and they knew it. It was just too slow, too weak, too lightly armed to do anything. After massive losses in the BOB it was fully removed from frontline service, but it was on its way out either way.

I seem to recall somebody made a breakdown of the plane types in BOB once, and the Do17Z was the smallest portion of the bomber fleet. It wasn't as numerous as the Ju88s or He111s, and frankly if we had either a Ju88A1 or a He111 we would never have a use for a Do17Z ever.
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Re: German Heavy Bomber
« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2011, 03:19:17 PM »
Instead of putting 150 of the B17, B24, or Lancaster size bombers in the air, comparatively the Germans would put 200 of the medium He111's and "light" heavy Ju88's.

Remember, the Ju88 can carry more ordnance weight than the B17.  It just doesnt have the defenses, range, or speed.  The Ju88 didnt really need any of that considering where Germany was bombing. 

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Re: German Heavy Bomber
« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2011, 05:58:38 PM »
Quote from: cut67 on July 12, 2011, 04:20:33 AM
I dont know if there was one during the war other than the HE111 but it would be nice to see some German/Russian Heavy bombers <S>
 HE177!!!=BEST PLANE EVAR!
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Re: German Heavy Bomber
« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2011, 06:15:13 PM »
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Re: German Heavy Bomber
« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2011, 06:39:25 PM »
Quote from: olds442 on July 12, 2011, 05:58:38 PM
  HE177!!!=BEST PLANE EVAR!


No barely saw combat.
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Re: Italian Heavy Bomber
« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2011, 07:18:07 PM »
Quote from: cut67 on July 12, 2011, 04:20:33 AM
I dont know if there was one during the war other than the HE111 but it would be nice to see some German/Russian/ITALIAN Heavy bombers <S>
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Re: German Heavy Bomber
« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2011, 07:29:20 PM »
Quote from: iron650 on July 12, 2011, 06:39:25 PM

No barely saw combat.
YES IT DID SEE COMBAT...
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