The famous "Enola gay" and "boxcar"

[lyric1]

The facts are the 509th flew 64 combat sorties, 12 missions, all at squadron strength, 51 sorties with pumpkin bombs. There were 15 planes not 2 and  7 strikes made on the 14th, 5 days after Nagasaki with more planed .....but the next day...well u know.

Pumpkin Bomb is the same with the Plutonium Atomic Bomb in size and weight. This bomb is filled with large a quantity of high explosive Torpex, 60% RDX, 40% TNT.

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So maybe we need "Some Punkins"

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This was the standard loadout for 509th and they were HE bombs just very large.

 

Do you have more info on the pumpkin nose art that would make a cool skin.

[Megalodon]

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It was involved in an accident  and the other planes prop got her good




All of the 509th had cool art
http://www.mphpa.org/classic/CG/509th-Yearbook/Pages-1/509YB_Gallery_01.htm

[lyric1]

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It was involved in an accident  and the other planes prop got her good
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All of the 509th had cool art
http://www.mphpa.org/classic/CG/509th-Yearbook/Pages-1/509YB_Gallery_01.htm

Nice find.

[mbailey]

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It was involved in an accident  and the other planes prop got her good
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All of the 509th had cool art
http://www.mphpa.org/classic/CG/509th-Yearbook/Pages-1/509YB_Gallery_01.htm

Howdy Megalodon, off the top of your head, do you know if that pic listed on Ebay is still for sale? I looked and couldnt find it.

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[Megalodon]

Howdy Megalodon, off the top of your head, do you know if that pic listed on Ebay is still for sale? I looked and couldnt find it.

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Yes the set of four pictures sold May17, 2011 for $15.00

"Some Punkins"  B29 Silverplate, suffered major damage in an mis-hap, and was later transferred to the 428th Air Base Unit at Kirtland AFB in early 1946. Declared surplus, she was burnt in a fire-fighting demonstration.
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[Megalodon]

Do you have more info on the pumpkin nose art that would make a cool skin.

Well... I think it would be great skin to have if we get the new pumpkin ordinance, which I doubt highly, along with it otherwise I think the best of the Silverplate skins for the game would be a "Necessary Evil". Besides the name    I definitely think the Silverplate B29's deserve to be remembered just as much as any other B29's and it more than passes the criteria. 1 skin wont hurt.

She flew 4 combat missions and 1 of the weather/photo observers on the 6th at Hiroshima.

Silverplate Superfortress B-29-45-MO 44-86291, Victor 91, "Necessary Evil", Assigned to Crew C-14, 393rd Bombardment Squadron (VH), 509th Composite Group
 



"This B-29, Necessary Evil, had been manufactured at the Glenn L. Martin Aircraft Plant at Omaha, Nebraska. It had entered into service with the US Army Air Forces on May 18, 1945, and flown to Wendover Army Air Field, Utah, by its originally assigned crew C-14, with Captain Norman W. Ray, as the aircraft commander, in June 1945. From Wendover, the plane took off for Tinian on June 27. Necessary Evil was originally assigned the victor number 11 but on August 1 had its victor changed to 91 and a Circle-R marking of the 6th bomb group was painted on its tail. Three days before the Hiroshima mission, the bomber was assigned to the 393rd Bomb Squadron, 509th Composite Group, as the original crew C-14 was replaced by the crew B-10, whose commander was Captain George Marquardt.
Aside from the nuclear bombing mission, "Necessary Evil" participated in three conventional combat missions in which it dropped pumpkin bombs on industrial targets in Kobe, Kashiwazaki, and Koriyama, all flown by Capt. Ray and crew C-14. In December 1945 it returned to the United States with the 509th CG to Roswell Army Airfield, New Mexico. It was part of the Operation Crossroads task force from August 1946 until June 1949, when it was transferred to the 97th Bomb Wing at Biggs Air Force Base, Texas.

Necessary Evil was dropped from the Air Force inventory in November 1956. It was transferred to the U.S. Navy and used as a target at the Naval Ordnance Test Station at China Lake, California."

 

[MarineUS]

Yes the set of four pictures sold May17, 2011 for $15.00

"Some Punkins"  B29 Silverplate, suffered major damage in an mis-hap, and was later transferred to the 428th Air Base Unit at Kirtland AFB in early 1946. Declared surplus, she was burnt in a fire-fighting demonstration.
The 2 remaining pics "SomePunkins"
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ow....

[Guppy35]

Bockscar and Enola Gay were used for other missions... here we are with the rash statements again.

By regular bombs, I'm sure you will defualt to pointy things with a tail, you were meaning high explosive not atom..


"Bockscar was used in several training and practice missions from Tinian, and four combat missions in which it dropped pumpkin bombs on industrial targets in Japan. Bocks crew bombed Niihama and Musashino, and 1st Lt. Don Albury and crew C-15 bombed Toyama."

"The B-29 was delivered to the 393rd Bomb Squadron at Wendover Field, Utah, where aircrews of were engaged in intensive training under a cloak of secrecy. In June, aircraft and crew flew to Tinian Island in the Marianas. From there, "Bockscar," named for its pilot (Bock), flew five bombing missions. On four of these, a 10,000 pound bomb loaded with high explosives was dropped. Nicknamed "pumpkin" bombs because of their shape and orange color, these were the same size and shape as the actual atomic bomb dropped at Nagasaki"


"The Enola Gay arrived on Tinian on 6 July 1945. Prior to flying the first atomic combat mission the Enola Gay flew eight practice missions from Tinian, then two conventional bombing missions over Japan using the 6300 pound "pumpkin" high explosive bomb, designed to simulate the characteristics of the Fat Man bomb. The Enola Gay bombed Kobe on 24 July and Koriyama on 26 July."

I'm not too worried about those two bird getting remembered.  Fact remains it's not the B29 we have.  I don't think HTC has allowed Memphis Belle on a B17G.  Do we have a Dam Buster modified Lancaster skinned in game?  That would be a similar comparison I suppose since we don't have a modified Lanc to knock down dams.

[Megalodon]

I'm not too worried about those two bird getting remembered.  Fact remains it's not the B29 we have.  I don't think HTC has allowed Memphis Belle on a B17G.  Do we have a Dam Buster modified Lancaster skinned in game?  That would be a similar comparison I suppose since we don't have a modified Lanc to knock down dams.

I'm not worried about those two either.
Do we have a glass nose B17?
The mods to these 1st 15 B29s  were... single-point bomb releases in the front bay and some extra gas tanks in the rear bay and some different instruments. Nothing to the outside and no guns removed.

Do we have dam's in the game?
How many of those were there... 3 dams hit 2 knocked holes in? Bad idea lots of time spent making the bomb spin backwards 500rpm before drop.
The Germans had the dams back up and producing power again in less than a year?

They were the same B29A's were they not? There was only 1 Pullman bomber B-29-5-BW 42-6259 , to acomadate "Thin Man", and even it was changed back to its original configuration.

What model P-51D do we have?

[Guppy35]

I'm not worried about those two either.
Do we have a glass nose B17?
The mods to these 1st 15 B29s  were... single-point bomb releases in the front bay and some extra gas tanks in the rear bay and some different instruments. Nothing to the outside and no guns removed.

Do we have dam's in the game?
How many of those were there... 3 dams hit 2 knocked holes in? Bad idea lots of time spent making the bomb spin backwards 500rpm before drop.
The Germans had the dams back up and producing power again in less than a year?

They were the same B29A's were they not? There was only 1 Pullman bomber B-29-5-BW 42-6259 , to acomadate "Thin Man", and even it was changed back to its original configuration.

What model P-51D do we have?

Your post included the following  "definitely think the Silverplate B29's deserve to be remembered".  Hence my remark that I wasn't worried about that.

Not trying to argue.  Asking in reference to the 617 Squadron Lanc.  I don't know if we have a dam buster skin in game.  Haven't had time to check.  That would be a decent comparison.  My opinion is that there are enough B29 skins out there for the model we have in AH. And for me the Enola Gay and Bock's Car represent atomic bomb drops, and I don't believe we're ever going to get that in AH.   In the end the decision isn't up to me. 

As for the P51D or the Mustang in general.  I suppose if the decision was mine, I'd not have Lou IV skinned on the model we have as it doesn't look right with the fin fillet.  I wouldn't have some of the skins of B/C Mustangs on a Malcom hood model as it doesn't look right either.  I'd rather have a D-5 and a 'coffin hood' 51B/C for those.  The PTO and MTO B/C skins being the best example, or Gentile's "Shangri La".  Again the decision isn't mine.

[Megalodon]

Your post included the following  "definitely think the Silverplate B29's deserve to be remembered".  Hence my remark that I wasn't worried about that.

Not trying to argue.  Asking in reference to the 617 Squadron Lanc.  I don't know if we have a dam buster skin in game.  Haven't had time to check.  That would be a decent comparison.  My opinion is that there are enough B29 skins out there for the model we have in AH. And for me the Enola Gay and Bock's Car represent atomic bomb drops, and I don't believe we're ever going to get that in AH.   In the end the decision isn't up to me.  

As for the P51D or the Mustang in general.  I suppose if the decision was mine, I'd not have Lou IV skinned on the model we have as it doesn't look right with the fin fillet.  I wouldn't have some of the skins of B/C Mustangs on a Malcom hood model as it doesn't look right either.  I'd rather have a D-5 and a 'coffin hood' 51B/C for those.  The PTO and MTO B/C skins being the best example, or Gentile's "Shangri La".  Again the decision isn't mine.

Yes but not the post you quoted and as you can see "now" I'm not asking for either of those nor am I asking for a "Nuke" bomb and for buffs that ended the war and flew in squadron strength and dropped many, more than I have reported previously, conventional HE ordinance, should have just as much representation as any other B29.

So..... I guess we should be talking about a new ordinance? possible? When was the last time we got a new ord?



Oh and the 51d .. yes I would have the /5 and the /25or30

[Karnak]

617 did quite a bit more than just the 'Dambusters' mission.

I doubt we have one of their Lanc's as a skin as we have very few options for the Lanc right now due to heavy mirroring and such as it is an AH1 model.

When it gets updated I would say that Lancaster 'special' skins would not be appropriate.

[B-17]

So..... I guess we should be talking about a new ordinance? possible? When was the last time we got a new ord?

2 things:

What do you mean by "new ords"?

And,
Didn't we just get new ords? The 2000 lb loadouts for the B-17 and 24, and the American 4000 lber? Don't those count?

[Megalodon]

2 things:

What do you mean by "new ords"?

And,
Didn't we just get new ords? The 2000 lb loadouts for the B-17 and 24, and the American 4000 lber? Don't those count?

I was refering to the Pumpkin Bomb

Yes .. I guess we did and yes they count.


My Mistake,

[Karnak]

B-24J had the four 2000lber loadout when it was added in AH v2.00.