IMHO

[Tank-Ace]

Ignore debrody, I think hes probably drunk as hell to come out with utter BS of that magnitude. IMHO, ruskies woulda been screwed without allied supplys, and aircraft, not to mention the diminishment of German production capacity due to allied bombing raids, and the men and supplys that the Afrikan, Italian, and Western fronts drew from the total german resource pool.

[Karnak]

The Russians paid the lion's share of the price of victory and faced the majority of the German forces.  Without the US and UK they likely would have lost, but I certainly have to say that the Russians were the most important of the big three allied nations in the west.  The USA was obviously the most important in the Pacific.

[Debrody]

*sigh*
sorry im not drunk.
20 million soviet soldiers died during the war... how many american or british? I never said the Red Air Force won the war, i said, basically the russkies did.
you think the 8th airforce tracked Germany, with its 2000 or so bombers, destroying Dresden? i "think" the soviets did it with 10 000s of Jaks, Ils, Las, t-34s, millions of soldiers. On the front.
nope, im not russian. Not American either.
but im the nationalist, right?

[Wmaker]

Arguing who did what could last a long time as it has in the past. But I think the main point Debrody was trying to make was that Aces High already has comprehensive planesets for western ETO. Same cannot be said about the Eastern front planeset from the Soviet side. And that's not up for an argument, that's a fact.

[EskimoJoe]

See Rule #4

[guncrasher]

*sigh*
sorry im not drunk.
20 million soviet soldiers died during the war... how many american or british? I never said the Red Air Force won the war, i said, basically the russkies did.
you think the 8th airforce tracked Germany, with its 2000 or so bombers, destroying Dresden? i "think" the soviets did it with 10 000s of Jaks, Ils, Las, t-34s, millions of soldiers. On the front.
nope, im not russian. Not American either.
but im the nationalist, right?

millions of soviet soldiers died because of their leaders stupidity.  they would be sent to attack to the last man just to keep pressure on the germans those who would come back alive would be shot.  the soviets shot almost every single russian pow that they liberated from the germans, logic being they should have died fighting and to surrender was showing cowardice.  see the begining of "enemy at the gates"  that's how it was for the russian soldier.  they had two choices to die by german bullets or by soviet bullets.  many civilians also died because of their leader's refusal to allow civilians to leave cities under siege.

semp

[Debrody]

millions of soviet soldiers died because of their leaders stupidity.  they would be sent to attack to the last man just to keep pressure on the germans those who would come back alive would be shot.  the soviets shot almost every single russian pow that they liberated from the germans, logic being they should have died fighting and to surrender was showing cowardice.  see the begining of "enemy at the gates"  that's how it was for the russian soldier.  they had two choices to die by german bullets or by soviet bullets.  many civilians also died because of their leader's refusal to allow civilians to leave cities under siege.

its sad but true.
Just checked: 300 000 american, 250 000 british and 200 000 french soldiers died. Its also very sad, but nothing compared to the russians losses even tho we know how stupid and pointless the soviet leadership was.
Btw Maker got it on the head.

[Karnak]

millions of soviet soldiers died because of their leaders stupidity.  they would be sent to attack to the last man just to keep pressure on the germans those who would come back alive would be shot.  the soviets shot almost every single russian pow that they liberated from the germans, logic being they should have died fighting and to surrender was showing cowardice.  see the begining of "enemy at the gates"  that's how it was for the russian soldier.  they had two choices to die by german bullets or by soviet bullets.  many civilians also died because of their leader's refusal to allow civilians to leave cities under siege.

semp

Soviet losses were not only due to their leaders stupidity though.  You cannot hand wave away the Soviet efforts like that.

[Martyn]

What percentage of German forces were tasked with keeping Russian forces at bay compared to western forces after D-Day?
It's not an accurate measure, but it gives a general level of what they thought their priorities should be at the time.
I think that despite the hugely wasteful losses incurred by the Soviets, they still undertook the majority of the fighting in the ETO. For them manpower was a relatively cheap resource.

[LLogann]

Your opinion, may not be humble, but it certainly is Noted Sir!

[Tank-Ace]

What percentage of German forces were tasked with keeping Russian forces at bay compared to western forces after D-Day?
It's not an accurate measure, but it gives a general level of what they thought their priorities should be at the time.
I think that despite the hugely wasteful losses incurred by the Soviets, they still undertook the majority of the fighting in the ETO. For them manpower was a relatively cheap resource.

While the Eastern Front still had the majority of troops, and equipment, theres no denying that the resource drain from fighting the western allies was still sizable.


And sorry Eskimo, I just fly (flew?) with debrody, and I'm just giving him crap.

[Tyrannis]

You're new here. I suggest shutting up, keeping to yourself, and learning from others.
Especially from Tyrannis, olds442, and Penguin. Strive to never be like any one of them, and you will be fine.
Pay special attention to Widewing, Lusche, Stoney, and the trainers.

Things to be aware of : Sarcasm, Krusty's BS, crabs, and silat.

Yes tank, listen to him, and never become like us.


Otherwise you get little narcissistic ankle-humpers like eskimo here that love to criticize everything you say while sitting cozy behind a keyboard.
    

[Tank-Ace]

Alright, I'm confused as hell. Is Eskimo one of those ankle humpers that frequent channel 200? or is he a lesser version of MINNoWAR, constantly telling you how you need to do better?

[Tyrannis]

Alright, I'm confused as hell. Is Eskimo one of those ankle humpers that frequent channel 200? or is he a lesser version of MINNoWAR, constantly telling you how you need to do better?

Never seen him on 200, but if you say/do something in a way HE feels it shouldn't be said/done, he'll criticize you right off the bat for it. He acts like he is the supreme judge of what should/shouldn't be said. Reason why i call him a narcissist. Just go read any of Penguins Topics he's been in. Or the p51 collides with Skyraider topic, that he derailed then attempted to blame it on me.  

and yea, in a way, he will tell you how you "need to be better" he pretty much already has.
Chances are he'l derail this thread even more once he reads this, then attempt to blame it on me too.


Just dont let the intardnet Ego's get to you tank, and you'l do fine   everyone pretends to be tough while sitting behind the safety of a screen.

[Tank-Ace]

lol, alright. Thanks tyrannis  .