Tank destroyers

[Tank-Ace]

I would like to request that the SdKfz 251/11, -/21, and -/22 are added. The /11 had a 37mm Pak 36 cannon, the /21 had a drilling 20mm turret (dri is german for three, it has 3 20mm cannons) for AA use, and the /22 had a Pak 40 with 22 rounds of ammunition.

Reasons:
1) it would give a counter-part to the M3 75mm GMC we have in the game.

2) it would finally give us a GV with an ENY above 25 that stands a reasonable chance of killing a tiger and even, dare I say it, a panther, from the front.

3) you could use it to test the feasability of legitimate tank destroyers in the game. The M3 GMC doesn't really do this, as it lacks the firepower most MW and LW tank destroyers had, but it has proven vehicles with limited traverse weapons CAN be effective. The 251/22 would give firepower parity with the M10 wolverine, the M18 hellcat, the Hetzer, the Marder II/III, and even early versions of the Jagdpanzer.

4) it would be relatively easy (note, relativly easy, not nessicarily easy) to add. Easier than modeling an entire new vehcilce from scratch. The gun and the vehicle both already exist, it would just require a modification of the center of weight and the visual model of the SdKfz 251.

And finally, I would like to ask for the M18, the Stug III Ausf. G, and the Su-85.

[Rob52240]

+1 and +1 for mentioning the M-18 Heck Kitty.

There is a huge anti air niche between the M16 and German offerings to be taken advantage of with new toys.

I really think that the excellent GV game in Aces High has a lot more room to grow than the air side.  I know this belongs in the wishlist area but I think that it might be nice to spend a few perks for a closer spawn in or a spawn in point at regular distance but farther away from the center of the arrow.

[Tank-Ace]

Sorry rob, but I couldn't understand that last part. Infact, it seems almost self-contradicting.

[Tyrannis]

Sorry rob, but I couldn't understand that last part. Infact, it seems almost self-contradicting.

He's saying that aces-high's ground war has alot more potential in it than the air war, in his opinion.
And that he wishes there was an ability where you could spend a few perks to be able to choose your spawn point within an area. instead of clicking "NW" and the computer choosing your spawn point for you.

least, i think thats what he meant.

[Tank-Ace]

oh, I gotcha, thanks. Yeah, that would be pretty cool, or just forget the perks, and let you spawn up anywhere on the 'frontline'.      Maybe make that line about 2k wide, and 1k deep?

[SmokinLoon]

I would like to request that the SdKfz 251/11, -/21, and -/22 are added. The /11 had a 37mm Pak 36 cannon, the /21 had a drilling 20mm turret (dri is german for three, it has 3 20mm cannons) for AA use, and the /22 had a Pak 40 with 22 rounds of ammunition.

Reasons:
1) it would give a counter-part to the M3 75mm GMC we have in the game.

2) it would finally give us a GV with an ENY above 25 that stands a reasonable chance of killing a tiger and even, dare I say it, a panther, from the front.

3) you could use it to test the feasability of legitimate tank destroyers in the game. The M3 GMC doesn't really do this, as it lacks the firepower most MW and LW tank destroyers had, but it has proven vehicles with limited traverse weapons CAN be effective. The 251/22 would give firepower parity with the M10 wolverine, the M18 hellcat, the Hetzer, the Marder II/III, and even early versions of the Jagdpanzer.

4) it would be relatively easy (note, relativly easy, not nessicarily easy) to add. Easier than modeling an entire new vehcilce from scratch. The gun and the vehicle both already exist, it would just require a modification of the center of weight and the visual model of the SdKfz 251.

And finally, I would like to ask for the M18, the Stug III Ausf. G, and the Su-85.

HTC could add another 12-15 gv's using the SdKfz 251, M4, M3, and T34 chassis.  Easily.  The Su-100, SdKfz 251/9, 251/22, Priest, etc etc.

[Rob52240]

I think there is more room to grow for the ground part than the air game.  We have tons of planes to choose from but only several Ground Vehicles

[Tank-Ace]

agreed, and again, we don't have anything to kill tigers from the front when the ENY goes above 25.

While this would be a stop-gap measure, as opposed to adding a Panzer IV Ausf F2 or G (same cannon pretty much, but weaker armor: 42mm and 50mm respecticly), it would still see a lot of use if the M3 GMC is any indicator.

[Rob52240]

I'm still hung up on the 251s as gun motor carriages.  I think it would be a nice compliment to what we already have with the M3.  I actually prefer the 251 unless I'm posting the old Million M3 assault mission.

[Tank-Ace]

They would REALLY be the little lemmings from hell. The panther drivers would be screaming "OH CRAP!!!! 251 ON THE LEFT, KILL IT KILL IT!!!!."


It would combine panzer firepower with the mobility and ease of hiding of a halftrack.

[SmokinLoon]

They would REALLY be the little lemmings from hell. The panther drivers would be screaming "OH CRAP!!!! 251 ON THE LEFT, KILL IT KILL IT!!!!."


It would combine panzer firepower with the mobility and ease of hiding of a halftrack.

Not really.  The SdKfz 251 moves SLOWER than the T34.  I think it has a max speed in AH of 32mph. 

[Butcher]

Not really.  The SdKfz 251 moves SLOWER than the T34.  I think it has a max speed in AH of 32mph. 

Still better then the limited tanks we have available.

[Tank-Ace]

Well yes, it can't out run a T-34, but thats not entirely what i was talking about. They're harder to spot, they can hide in undestroyed barns, etc. The real danger of the M3 isn't nessicarily its speed, but how the ppl driving them at GV fights are among the most annonmmous vehicles. Aircraft spotters will call out heavy tanks, then the fireflys, M4's, and so on and so fourth. M3 is usually at the bottom of the list.

[Rob52240]

251's armor is way way way better than the M3s though.

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Simply put...


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