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Offline RTHolmes

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Re: Side by Side take off
« Reply #15 on: July 17, 2011, 04:37:36 PM »
looks pretty but I'd be surprised if even fighters rolled side by side on runways as narrow as we have in AH during WWII, especially on rough strips. given the hours most fighter pilots had it would be asking for trouble. even the bases most heavies used in England had very narrow runways.
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Re: Side by Side take off
« Reply #16 on: July 17, 2011, 04:50:29 PM »
looks pretty but I'd be surprised if even fighters rolled side by side on runways as narrow as we have in AH during WWII, especially on rough strips. given the hours most fighter pilots had it would be asking for trouble. even the bases most heavies used in England had very narrow runways.

They most definitely did from rough strips too.  It was generally standard practice for fighters to get them in the air quicker.  Not near the comp with the scanner, but I could post a ton of images of two ship take offs from the PTO to the ETO.
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Re: Side by Side take off
« Reply #17 on: July 17, 2011, 05:13:35 PM »
Ive seen plenty of photos and Pathe footage of it, I always assumed it was just for the cameras.

put it this way - would you want to up off a rough field right next to a guy with just 10h in a Spit I when it does the lurch? :uhoh
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Re: Side by Side take off
« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2011, 05:21:20 PM »
Ive seen plenty of photos and Pathe footage of it, I always assumed it was just for the cameras.

put it this way - would you want to up off a rough field right next to a guy with just 10h in a Spit I when it does the lurch? :uhoh

"They were expendable" becomes the key phrase.  Wartime.   Edwards Park talks about those take offs in his book on flying the P39 in the PTO.  They hadn't done them stateside but were expected to in the combat zone.  His flight lead cut into him just as he left the runway with no speed to move.  He had to duck under and then catch him.  The next guy caught propwash and augered in. 

You basically tucked your wing in behind the lead's wing  and kept your eye on him the entire time, raising your gear when you saw his go etc.

When fuel, not getting hit on the runway, and getting a lot of planes together is the issue, the risk is secondary.

Think about those Spits all going at once on those grass fields in England.  When their entire flight to France and back is going to amount to about an hour and a half, taking the time to go one at a time and form up would really reduce the distance they could go. 
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Re: Side by Side take off
« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2011, 06:22:20 PM »
This is how bombers should take off.  :D

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Re: Side by Side take off
« Reply #20 on: July 17, 2011, 06:47:58 PM »
Well with fighters not needing the whole runway to take off a starting grid type setup might work with some plane stacking once it's full.

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Re: Side by Side take off
« Reply #21 on: July 17, 2011, 07:15:02 PM »
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Re: Side by Side take off
« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2011, 09:00:25 AM »
Otherwise, just move on the runway.


exactly.. whats so difficult about firing up, taxiing and assembling however you wish?


hmm. maybe more people rely on auto takeoff than I had assumed???   :uhoh

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Re: Side by Side take off
« Reply #23 on: July 18, 2011, 09:02:00 AM »
Until friendly collisions are turned on and an issue, why does this matter?

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Re: Side by Side take off
« Reply #24 on: July 18, 2011, 11:11:19 AM »
Well Said!   :aok

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Re: Side by Side take off
« Reply #25 on: July 18, 2011, 06:39:29 PM »
Until friendly collisions are turned on and an issue, why does this matter?

Because as cool as it is actually shooting down virtual cartoon airplanes, people also really want to look and feel cool (before) doing it.
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Re: Side by Side take off
« Reply #26 on: July 18, 2011, 08:08:09 PM »
Because as cool as it is actually shooting down virtual cartoon airplanes, people also really want to look and feel cool (before) doing it.

Fortunately, with minimal effort this can currently be done.  :aok

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Re: Side by Side take off
« Reply #27 on: July 18, 2011, 08:59:37 PM »
Really don't see the value in this,  engine on and scoot over a few feet.
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Re: Side by Side take off
« Reply #28 on: July 19, 2011, 12:29:58 PM »
What Wrongway said

Nothing wrong with a good side by side take off in fighters.  Looks kinda nice actually :)
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Re: Side by Side take off
« Reply #29 on: July 19, 2011, 03:37:36 PM »
Me and my wingman do it all the time.




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