Question about the yellow-nosed 109's

[Tyrannis]

Hey guys, currently im in love with the yellow-nose paint schemes of the 109F and G-2 models. (and occasionally the E model aswell, but i dont think it looks as good as the F models yellow-nose)

I was hoping that there would be a yellow nose paint scheme on some of the later 109's but sadly, i can not find any 

Did no 109 models past the G-2 have the yellow-nose paint scheme or is there just none that have been skinned for the game?
 

[perdue3]

The only late war 109's with yellow on nose are those that were on the Eastern Front. Early in the war, most 109s had yellow noses. Later, the Luftwaffe needed to distinguish Eastern Front and Western Front. So Eastern Front designation was yellow anywhere on aircraft. Usually the most common place was rudder and under the nose.

That is the short, simple version. I am sure Krusty will be along shortly to either give the long version or somehow say I am wrong.

[M0nkey_Man]

The only late war 109's with yellow on nose are those that were on the Eastern Front. Early in the war, most 109s had yellow noses. Later, the Luftwaffe needed to distinguish Eastern Front and Western Front. So Eastern Front designation was yellow anywhere on aircraft. Usually the most common place was rudder and under the nose.

That is the short, simple version. I am sure Krusty will be along shortly to either give the long version or somehow say I am wrong.

[chris3]

moin

the yellow nose came from the operation seel?we (seelion) thats why the most later versions didn t have the yelow nose.

the eastern front marking was only the yellow band on the tail.

cu chris3

[Krusty]

It's also related to the general fact that early on in the war bright colors were possible as the Germans were on the offensive. Bright flashes of color were permissable to help identify units and coordinate on flight leaders, etc. As the war progressed they were placed more and more and more on a defensive stance where bright colors served only to bring the hunters down on them. The bright colors gave way to more camouflaged colors across all fronts, for the sake of survival. Those with bright colors were seen by the allies as leaders, aces, etc, and targeted relentlessly in some cases.

[Pigslilspaz]

Except in the case of Hartmann where people just stayed the hell away from him if they could. 

I remember reading that sometimes they would have rookies fly with the same black lotus scheme as his on their 109's to help protect them, making the enemy think the 109 was Hartmann.

[Krusty]

There are some differing stories about hartman and his "tulip petals" and I doubt all of them are true, but I would say that's a slightly different kettle of fish. The tulip petals were darker. Not quite the same as the entire nose brightly painted yellow. You would see them closer-in, rather than (oh, say) 10 miles away.

[Guppy35]

You gents are working too hard at this.  During the B of B, needing to ID good and baduns in a hurry became a big issue.  The LW started using Yellow on the rudder and the nose to help this.  In late 40 many units were painting the entire cowling yellow.  It was soon figured out that this was a bit too conspicuous.  In the summer of 41 regulations were instituted that limited the yellow to the underside of the cowling and rudder.  This was standard until the beginning of 1945.

It's about the same idea as the yellow leading edges on RAF birds and the adding of the sky colored prop spinners and tail bands on them.

Obviously there were individual markings, theater markings and unit markings, but the idea of the "Yellow nosed bastards" or the "Abbeville Boys" was as much a product of propaganda as calling P38s "fork tailed devils"

[Tyrannis]

You gents are working too hard at this.  During the B of B, needing to ID good and baduns in a hurry became a big issue.  The LW started using Yellow on the rudder and the nose to help this.  In late 40 many units were painting the entire cowling yellow.  It was soon figured out that this was a bit too conspicuous.  In the summer of 41 regulations were instituted that limited the yellow to the underside of the cowling and rudder.  This was standard until the beginning of 1945.

It's about the same idea as the yellow leading edges on RAF birds and the adding of the sky colored prop spinners and tail bands on them.

Obviously there were individual markings, theater markings and unit markings, but the idea of the "Yellow nosed bastards" or the "Abbeville Boys" was as much a product of propaganda as calling P38s "fork tailed devils"

So, in a nutshell, your all saying that none of the 109s past the G-2 have yellow-nosed paint schemes?

that sucks 

[Krusty]

The BOB was lost. Germany was now on uncertain footing. Now their staging areas and bases were being overflown and bombed by enemy formations with the intent of drawing them out into fights. The reason it was too conspicuous is because it was too easily spotted.

Hence tying into the whole aggressive/defensive mindset of the era in question.

Tyrannis, that's right. You can still find some colorful schemes, just colorful in different ways. Like the sandgelb 109G2 with olivgrun splotches on the upper surfaces. That's a favorite of mine.

While cowlings were toned down, you still find the odd colored rudder for some aces, or depending on the plane the entire tail (like some 190s with white tails).

[perdue3]

Except in the case of Hartmann where people just stayed the hell away from him if they could. 

I remember reading that sometimes they would have rookies fly with the same black lotus scheme as his on their 109's to help protect them, making the enemy think the 109 was Hartmann.

Quite the contrary, he stayed away from them unless they weren't looking. If he was in AH, many ppl would whine on 200 and call him a vajayjay.

[beau32]

Two nice and rarely seen views of Hartmann's 7./JG52 G-6 "White 1" seen in late 1944 in Hungary


Source: http://falkeeins.blogspot.com/search/label/JG%2052


Some rare pictures of Hartmann's black tulip 109. I never seen these before till now. Enjoy!

Side note, from the looks of it, it looks like it has a yellow chin up under the nose. Krusty, does that look yellow to you?

[Karnak]

beau32,

The non-tulip color looks lighter under the nose to me as well.


Nice photos, thanks for sharing.

[Reaper90]

Not really related to any 109's other than Emils, but seeing this thread made me immediately think of one of my favorite aviation artists, Geoff Nutkins.

Clifftop Chase



A few more 109 yellow noses....





and just because all 109's should meet their proper end at the hand of Sydney Camm's Hurricane........

[M0nkey_Man]

Not really related to any 109's other than Emils, but seeing this thread made me immediately think of one of my favorite aviation artists, Geoff Nutkins.

Clifftop Chase

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A few more 109 yellow noses....

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and just because all 109's should meet their proper end at the hand of Sydney Camm's Hurricane........

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i was happy until the end of your post