Perked Tanks?

[lyric1]

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I was wrong again Great chart as always though

[Belial]

I think the firefly should cost closer to what the m4-76 does...tell me why the m4-76 is harder to kill than the firefly?  Reloads faster, and the gun isn't that much worse.

Bring back the firefly's importance

[lyric1]

I think the firefly should cost closer to what the m4-76 does...tell me why the m4-76 is harder to kill than the firefly?  Reloads faster, and the gun isn't that much worse.

Bring back the firefly's importance

I do have a pet peeve when it comes to the M476 armour & gun especially against Tigers.

[Lusche]

Reloads faster, and the gun isn't that much worse.

The M4(76) reloads faster, but the Firefly's gun has about 33% better penetration. Right now the VC has the most powerful gun in Aces High.

[Tank-Ace]

It also seems that if the M4A3(76) is unperked you end up with ~80% of tanks being the M4A3(76).  Unperking the T-34/85 might be doable without ~80% of tanks ending up being T-34/85s.

Got a fix for it: unperk both, but give APCR round (HVAP) to the Panzer. Each tank gives you a different mix of benefits and drawbacks.

M4(76)   Pros: Decent gun, good armor                        Cons: lack of APCR

T-34/85  Pros: APCR, top tier speed, good armor           Cons: weak turret, sub par gun with standard AP

Panzer    Pros: APCR, decent gun                                Cons: weak armor, limited number of APCR rounds

M4 would probably be a bit more popular still, but this would definitly reduce its popularity by a fair degree.

[Lusche]

A quick and sketchy chart that shows both Usage (k+d) and k/d  at the same time and may help to judge the importance or impact each tank has in the LW MA. Data is for current tour.

[Greebo]

That graph seems to show the Firefly is over-perked and the M4A3(76)W a bit under-perked. Maybe 5 for the (76)W and 10 for the Firefly might be fairer. Perhaps 60 for the King Tiger?

[Wildcat1]

A quick and sketchy chart that shows both Usage (k+d) and k/d  at the same time and may help to judge the importance or impact each tank has in the LW MA. Data is for current tour.

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Say, that's not a pie chart!

[Lusche]

Say, that's not a pie chart!

Oh, I forgot to bring the pie with that chart. Here is yours:




 

[Wildcat1]

Oh, I forgot to bring the pie with that chart. Here is yours:

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Is that custard pie? 

[Wmaker]

That graph seems to show the Firefly is over-perked and the M4A3(76)W a bit under-perked. Maybe 5 for the (76)W and 10 for the Firefly might be fairer. Perhaps 60 for the King Tiger?

Sounds good.

[SmokinLoon]

The problem is there is a threshold of "ability", and the T23/76, M4/75, Panzer IV, M8, and M3/75mm are on one side and everything else is on the other with quite a gap between.

Tanks like the M4/76mm and the T34/85mm have a distinct advantage over those listed above, and are not far behind at all the "Big 3" (now the Big 4).  So, where does HTC draw the line?  It is easy to earn GV perk points, just like it is to earn bomber perk points.

I would hope HTC seriously evaluates their ENY values on the GV.  I think the the ENY values need to change above all.  Especially the M4/76, there is a reason the Sherman Firefly is almost non-existent any more.   My opinion, of course.   

[R 105]

 Here is what I know from experience. At V135 at the first bridge nearest V135 itself I was shooting an M-4 way up on my left along with others from the spawn itself. He was about 3800 meters away. I hit him five time in a Tiger. He shoot me once and kills my turret but I had supplies and go on to hit him two more times until he gets my turret again with one shot. I had to drive to the base and land as I had no more supplies.

 Someone got him as I was driving and I only got an assist. This is not uncommon with the M-76 Sherman. While that is not a bad gun on the M-4/76 it should have no effect on the front armor of a Tiger at a range of 3800 meter. I don't even use the Panther because anything shooting at it one shot kills it most the time. If you are spending the perks on a Panther spend a few more and use at Tiger.

[Lusche]

The problem is there is a threshold of "ability", and the T23/76, M4/75, Panzer IV, M8, and M3/75mm are on one side and everything else is on the other with quite a gap between.

Tanks like the M4/76mm and the T34/85mm have a distinct advantage over those listed above, and are not far behind at all the "Big 3" (now the Big 4).  So, where does HTC draw the line?  It is easy to earn GV perk points, just like it is to earn bomber perk points.

To illustrate the difficulty of assigning "fair" perk tags:

The K/D's in the chart above are overall arena k/d's and thus include alot of kills and deaths pf and by other causes than tank combat (most notably planes).

Here are the real k/d's of pure tank combat, tour 137:



If you examine the table closely, you can find that there is no simple, linear ranking in terms tank A > tank B > tanks C. For example, the Tiger has almost 5 times better K/D vs the M4(75) than the Panther - but the Panther seriously pwnd the Tiger in that tour. Main reason for that: the 75mm M4 has a slight chance to penetrate the Panther's armor but is almost useless vs the Tiger. But panther & Tiger can punch through each other's armor at quite long ranges, so other factors start to come into play. This just shows how complex that matter is.

The second table just shows how frequent any specific type of encounter was for example 1.08% of all tank vs tanks combats had been Tiger vs T-34/85 (Edit: There is missing one entry: Panther vs Panther = 0.17%)


 

[Karnak]

Other than against the M4A3(75) and T-34/76, the T-34/85's K/D is not particularly stunning.  It does well against Panzer IV Hs, but is hardly unkillable by them.

Based on Lusche's charts I really can't see any reason why it is even perked, but if it is going to have a token, 1 point perk, the M4A3(76) should be more in the 5-10 perk point range.  The only fight the T-34/85 does better on than the M4A3(76) is vs the Tiger I, almost certainly due to HVAP ammunition.