Remove/Reduce tank perk loss when killed by aircraft.

[Butcher]

My Simple solution is remove the Icons for tanks for aircraft, and make them actually spot the GV's on the ground like they did in real life. If tankers can't have Icon against other tankers, then we could make it harder for aircraft to spot GV's rather then aircraft flying in at 4k and spotting us right away.

Would mean tankers need to use cover and not drive out in the open, still you will be bombed into oblivion, just not as quick.

[Killer91]

My Simple solution is remove the Icons for tanks for aircraft, and make them actually spot the GV's on the ground like they did in real life. If tankers can't have Icon against other tankers, then we could make it harder for aircraft to spot GV's rather then aircraft flying in at 4k and spotting us right away.

Would mean tankers need to use cover and not drive out in the open, still you will be bombed into oblivion, just not as quick.

Agreed. Anything to thwart the bomb****s would be a good thing.

[Krusty]

These are giant loud behemoths. They did not blend in well. Behind a tree line they could hide from ground troops or other tanks, with a LOT of foliage strapped to them. However, you could hear the roar of the engines for miles and feel the vibrations in the air and on the ground for some distance.

They were not freely able to move around with aircraft overhead... EVER. They were primary targets for aircraft, and were mercilessly strafed/attacked/rocketed/bombed in all theaters.

What you ask for is pure magic cloak wizardry because you don't want to get killed. Well big whoop. I don't like it when spawn campers have me ranged the second I spawn. Should we implement magical force fields to stop rounds mid-air because I don't like that? No. Should we implement magical invisibility fields? No also.

The human eyes sees a &%!@#&^!@%#&*!@%^ load more than any representation this game can put forth. I've looked out the window of an airliner banking in a turn over a major city (Dallas, if I recall) while over 30,000 feet and I could make out individual cars on the highways, semi trucks, busses. Maybe not makes and models or even details, but I could spot them with enough clarity from 30,000.

If you want to hide get air support or don't tank under an enemy horde. That's the lesson the Germans learned in WW2, you should pick it up pretty fast.

[fullmetalbullet]

From what i know german panazers had foliage on them and camo netting the confuse allied aircraft flying over head. how about when GVs use foliage and hide near or in the brush they cant be spotted at 1.5k but insted at 500 or so.

[R 105]

 Here is a plan the never fails to stop bomb**** at a GV spawn and it work every single time. Take the time to go PORK THE ORDS at the offending base. They can resupply and that is find. If the are driving M-3s to resupply they ain't bombing you. bomb**** types are lazy and most likely will not resupply anything.

[Krusty]

There is a difference between static hiding camo and actual combat conditions.

WW2 aircraft also hid under nets, had palm fronds draped over the top of them, hid in half-buried revetments, etc...

But that's not what they looked like when in use. Keep in mind tank crews lived with their tank. They camped, ate, lounged on this thing. When it was moving towards a target and preparing to fire its gun, it wasn't invisible.

P.S. Metal your pic is of a tank on a railroad car. They would be on these for a while and when the train was parked they needed as much camo as possible. This was not a combat condition.

[guncrasher]

Here is a plan the never fails to stop bomber at a GV spawn and it work every single time. Take the time to go PORK THE ORDS at the offending base. They can resupply and that is find. If the are driving M-3s to resupply they ain't bombing you. bomber types are lazy and most likely will not resupply anything.

I can still kill any tank with no ords, except maybe the tiger  .

semp

[zippo]

 Since it seems that the gv icons aren't going away, how about having all gv icons the same(something besides red or green)...let the pilot figure out who is friendly and what he wants to drop his ords on?  Seems like it would be more realistic than the big red SHOOT ME sign

[Krusty]

These are all selfish "me me me!!!" requests that only help YOU avoid being killed and hurt all others and the game in general.

[Pigslilspaz]

I can still kill any tank with no ords, except maybe the tiger  .

semp

B-25H, it's a tank with wings 

[Karnak]

I understand. People wanting to get rid of air to ground support nearly all together is what angers me, partly because that's the true area i shine in game. Not only that but Air to ground support was HUGE in WWII. Its to my understanding aircraft were one of the hugest threats to GVs in WWII and so should they here.

Imagine, what if air to ground support never showed up or attacked any GVs in all of France prior and during DDAY. Either we would of lost or suffered more than enough casualties. 

Your post still has literally no bearing on anything else posted in here.  Nobody, until you went on this rant, suggested anything that would have any effect on the ground support effort in AH.  The only suggestions were to lessen or remove the perk loss when a perk tank is destroyed by an aircraft and to have a place to 'successfully land' GVs so that attacking forces can use perk tanks without essentially throwing them away.

[Tank-Ace]

Alright so heres the deal:

1) it is much more difficult to shoot down a smart attacker from a tank than it is to aim a bomb. IMMESURABLY more difficult to do it before he drops.

2) tanks really don't have the ABILITY to shoot back at high angles. Tts not like its just difficult, the capability if physicly absent.

3) tanks are require OTHERS to protect themselves from aerial threats (ie, wirbs). If someone looses a 262, its because he 'effed up, not because someone else dropped the ball, the 262 pilot did. Thats the big difference, if you say "up a flack", it still doesn't bring back your lost panther.

4) NOTHING can stop a pilot whos willing to die to take you with him. Not even the 5" CV guns. If murderous puffy ack can't stop an attacker, then how can you even belive, yet alone expect, that a few 20mm's will be enough to stop him?

5) GV's are far too visible. 600yds would be a generous icon distance for not only spotting a GV but identifying whos side its on AND what type it is when he is under cover. I'm serious in this: anyone with a light aircrat, please have a friend hide an unknown type of vehicle in some bushes somewhere. Fly around in your cesna and see how long it takes you to spot it from a mile away (the current distance GV icons are visible at is 1999yds). Then tell me if you can identify the make and model.

6) Realism is left intact. The tank still dies if you bomb it, you still get your perks, you still get the kill. The penalty on the GV'er for being unlucky is just reduced, that ALL that happens.

7) Krusty, see items number 2 and 3, and you'll see how your post is complete BS.

[slayem]

It would be nice if trees hid GV icons. As a former tanker I can tell you that, when faced with the threat of air attack, or ground detection, tanks move from concealment or cover to concealment or cover just like a grunt would. If possible, all the way to the assault point. You might be surprised how easy it is for a skilled crew to keep the brute hidden. I've seen entire companies execute scatter drills and break into the woods on a road march and go undetected many times.GV's are sitting ducks for bombs in here but not so in real life. Can't bomb what you can't see. Been there, done that.

[Karnak]

600 yards is WAY too short.  A Wirblewind will tear an aircraft apart before you know it is there.  Do you want Tempest fliers to start a valid demand that perk aircraft losses to GVs shouldn't cause the loss of the perk points?  You're making a good effort at it.

In addition, that would affect all vehicles, not just the ones hidden in trees.


As to the comment about losing the Panther still, the suggestion is not to get a flak tank or fighter after losing the Panther, it is to bring friends in these things to cover the tank advance.  Tanks without air support should face a serious threat of annihilation.

"If it is silver it is American, if it is green it is British, if it is invisible it is ours."

[Tank-Ace]

Karnak, a low flying P-51 zooming by at 350mph would be killed by that wirb simply because he was unaware of it, regardless of how close he was. The system we have now is basicly a modern IFF, and monsterously unfair to tanks. A camo painted tank underneath a thick stand of trees will be COMPLETLY invisible from the air, even to a helicopter right above it.

Yes, it will be too short out in the open, but it will also be too far when under cover. It will make aircraft pay attention to what they're doing rather than just using the IFF, and thats fair. I'd be fine with an 800yd icon, which would be visible at 999yds. But a 1.5k icon is visible at 1999yds, which is just too much.