Is it supporting your ground forces or busting up a tank fight?

[zippo]

  I have read recent posts in which people say they are supporting their ground forces by bombing the gv's and that it was realistic in THE WAR.  This is A GAME, and some of these tank fights have no goal other than a tank fight(ground level furball?), would it be considered support or interferrence?  IMHO if they are attacking or defending a base, they are fair game, but some of these spawn battles are just gv'ers trying to play tanks.
  It has been said to have a friendly CAP...that's boring for the guys flying around waiting for something to happen... how may times is a cv capped?
  Has also been said to have aaa standing by...most gv'ers don't want to take a flak to a tank fight, they just up them in response to the air attacks.
  I don't think I have ever heard a gv'er on country ask for bomb****s to come help out at a good gv fight......

Just saying

[Vudu15]

most of the time they wont one of my fovorite things to do is up a hurri1 or a brew and just spot tanks for good guys.
sometimes the badguys bring too many tanks then I have to thin em out some.

[Rich52]

It seems the game has swayed toward the tankers. What with the IL2 gelded without F3 its simple to take out ords at an airbase and turn an airbase fight into a tank fight. Im not surprised or offended. The game always had far more tankers then tank killers and now with the new tanks introduced a new, very exciting, facet has been introduced to AH. I havnt flown the IL2 yet without F3 but know for sure its going to be far more at risk to enemy fighters. Not just that but it will be harder to setup the steep climbs/dives in contested air while keeping lined up on the tank. Oh, and with its views limited it will be more at risk for ack.

I always respected the tankers by never carrying ords and using cannon only. That and I never flew ILs or Hurr-Ds to tank base vs tank base tank fights. I always figured let them have their game too. But, if they attacked an airbase they were fair game. At least to the 37s on the Storm Bird. If we had PTAB bombs on them then they would have an even more serious problem, as it was PTABs that slaughtered most German tanks in the war.

Well maybe its time to try and figure out new tactics for the Storm Bird. The "Circle Of Death" would work if you could get 4 or more together.

[Tank-Ace]

IMO, its interference unless an airfield is under direct threat. If someone bombs your hangers, then thats an invitation to bomb HANGERS, its not an invitation to bomb TANKS. I always respond in kind. If our attack bogs down because of bomb tards, then I go grab a few squadies and kill twice as many of their tanks.

I bomb flacks and campers impartially and can't complain when I get bombed under those situations.


And Rich, it has just been balanced out. There is no real reason that the Il-2 should have F3 view. Come to that, neither is there any reason that the A20, Boston, Mossie 16, Ju-87, D3A, B5N, or the SBD to have F3 view. Its just representing the multiple gun possitions alearting the rest of the bomber crew if a fighter is seen.

[Skyguns MKII]

  I don't think I have ever heard a gv'er on country ask for bombers to come help out at a good gv fight......

Just saying

"HEY CAN YOU PLEASE MARK THAT TANK I HEAR?" hear it ALL the time

[Tank-Ace]

spotting is worlds apart from bombing. Unless the defenition of "mark" has changed, its a very clear request fo someone to come and report the location of a GV, not drop an egg on his head.

[100Coogn]

Most generally I don't interfere with a battle between GV's.  If I'm flying by and see a bad guy, I'll give our guys a shout on range.
If asked, I usually will mark the ones that are hiding.

Coogan

[Karnak]

Rooks attacking P23 last night were asking for air support, so I flew over in a Mossie, but I left the bombs and rockets at home.  My intention was to give air cover.  I did down a P-38 and an A-20 that were attacking us before two Mustangs showed up and ushered me out.  I also tried marking tanks with my .303s, but the quat 20mm they had with them made that a bit hot for me.

[Rich52]

And Rich, it has just been balanced out. There is no real reason that the Il-2 should have F3 view. Come to that, neither is there any reason that the A20, Boston, Mossie 16, Ju-87, D3A, B5N, or the SBD to have F3 view. Its just representing the multiple gun possitions alearting the rest of the bomber crew if a fighter is seen

Actually I assumed they all had F3 removed. If the JU-87 has F3 then why would the IL2s be removed ? The IL2 not only has a rear gunner but also a bomb bay.

So anyway I upped a few IL2s tonight, killed a couple perked tanks and an M3. Its not such a handicap, you can do more with the views then I had thought. And the circle of death works fine. So its all good.

[Karnak]

Rich52,

Il-2 was being used as an air-to-air fighter in F3 mode very frequently.  The Ju87, D3A and SBD-5 don't get used like that much.

[Guppy35]

Seems to me if the fight is between two GV bases, it's meant to be tank v tank.  When it's someone trying to overrun an airfield, they're fair game for air to ground.

You leave my air to air alone, and I won't interfere with your ground war

[Butcher]

Seems to me if the fight is between two GV bases, it's meant to be tank v tank.  When it's someone trying to overrun an airfield, they're fair game for air to ground.

You leave my air to air alone, and I won't interfere with your ground war

I'm one of those eye for eye type players, Generally I love to tank and support a tank battle, now saying this - if bombs are left out I am fine and dandy, spotting is fine also except when someone brings a dozen eggs to the fight. Then I will up and spot and bomb, etc.

Generally speaking, if there's a tank fight between 2 V-bases - DONT BRING BOMBS. If your base is being attacked then by all means you can defend with bombs, but mostly what i see is someone dies once to an enemy tank, then ups bombs because he <insert 100 excuses> can't GV.

[Rich52]

Rich52,

Il-2 was being used as an air-to-air fighter in F3 mode very frequently.  The Ju87, D3A and SBD-5 don't get used like that much.

All due respect Karnak it was used primarily by one guy "GHI" all the time as an all around airbase defender. Certainly I shot down airplanes too with it but they were almost all HO'ers or vulchers and had it coming. Its slow as as molassis, climbs like a bowling ball, and turns like pooh pooh. You basically have one move in a dogfight and then your flat and slow. Anyone in a fighter shot down by a IL2 deserves it. Heck, I was never any good in a fighter and I still beat IL2s all the time.

The F3 got killed cause of all the tankers complaining. The IL2 WAS murder on tanks. But only near airfields cause it was to slow to take to GV bases and still is. It has always been a sitting duck to flak.

Bottom line is the Ju87, D3A, SBD-5, dont get used much at all. Not in LW. They are probably the three least used planes in LW.

So the F3 is gone for good. No problem, Im not complaining. But, change of plans, theres not going to be any more leaving vehicle bases alone or not loading ords, lol I killed a Panther with 132s yesterday. Alls fair in Love and War.  

[Butcher]

All due respect Karnak it was used primarily by one guy all the time as an all around airbase defender. Certainly I shot down airplanes too with it but they were almost all HO'ers or vulchers and had it coming. Its slow as as molassis, climbs like a bowling ball, and turns like pooh pooh. You basically have one move in a dogfight and then your flat and slow. Anyone in a fighter shot down by a IL2 deserves it. Heck, I was never any good in a fighter and I still beat IL2s all the time.

The F3 got killed cause of all the tankers complaining. The IL2 WAS murder on tanks. But only near airfields cause it was to slow to take to GV bases and still is. It has always been a sitting duck to flak.

Bottom line is the Ju87, D3A, SBD-5, dont get used much at all. Not in LW. They are probably the three least used planes in LW.

So the F3 is gone for good. No problem, Im not complaining. But, change of plans, theres not going to be any more leaving vehicle bases alone or not loading ords, lol I killed a Panther with 132s yesterday. Alls fair in Love and War.  

In all honesty, the Ju87 does a wonderful job of tank busting if ords are up, with F3 mode it does wonders with the small bomb load it has, vs something like a hurricane C, fact is the centerline bomb does great for clusters or a tiger.

Most are just to scared I suppose to up it?

[des506]

no f3 mode at all please!...ghi's round some corner smiling getting his il2 ready!