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Offline Krusty

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« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2011, 10:56:27 AM »
I fail to see how this would not constitute an epic achievement.

Epic amongst the lame, perhaps. I didn't say kills, I just said HOs. Basically spraying through a fight til the ammo is gone, bailing, and repeating. Like bomb-n-bail but for fighters.


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« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2011, 11:06:37 AM »
Bombers in WWII did not take off w/o %100 fuel in WWII.  There were too many things that could go wrong while navigating so going 2-3 hours off course was not uncommon.

I'd be willing to bet the same thing was true of fighters.

I also believe that there is already enough "stacking the deck" BS, otherwise known as "gaming the game" already going on. 

I'd like to see no DT unless you have %100.  And no less than %75 fuel.  The %25 option is  :headscratch:

I can see much more of an argument for less fuel in fighters. I'm not sure I agree with 25%, but in some extreme cases where planes have massive amounts of fuel storage (P-51, P-47N, Mossie) I can understand it.

Fighters did take off less than full sometimes. However they act much more like the real thing in here than bombers do. I'm of the idea that we need different rules for heavy bombers vs fighters. The current system benefits bombers far too much. We need an 8x fuel burn for buffs. Separate fuel burn leaves fighters as-is, but will force bombers to take 100%. You still get the compressed time due to fuel burn, but the climbout phase will be slower (heavier weight) and the handling worse (more historically accurate) or will force most people to cruise at max cruise settings... Something they never do now.

So, fly light, but fly slow and lower, or fly full gas, with worse performance but the ability to run full throttle more. Either way a balance is struck bringing the level bombers back down to a level befitting WW2 bombers.

They are already very well defended, if you look at the .50cal armed planes. It won't stop them. It will simply encourage them to fly slower or lower. Whatever the choice made, the end result is slightly more historic.

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« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2011, 11:12:24 AM »
I can see much more of an argument for less fuel in fighters. I'm not sure I agree with 25%, but in some extreme cases where planes have massive amounts of fuel storage (P-51, P-47N, Mossie) I can understand it.

Fighters did take off less than full sometimes. However they act much more like the real thing in here than bombers do. I'm of the idea that we need different rules for heavy bombers vs fighters. The current system benefits bombers far too much. We need an 8x fuel burn for buffs. Separate fuel burn leaves fighters as-is, but will force bombers to take 100%. You still get the compressed time due to fuel burn, but the climbout phase will be slower (heavier weight) and the handling worse (more historically accurate) or will force most people to cruise at max cruise settings... Something they never do now.

So, fly light, but fly slow and lower, or fly full gas, with worse performance but the ability to run full throttle more. Either way a balance is struck bringing the level bombers back down to a level befitting WW2 bombers.

They are already very well defended, if you look at the .50cal armed planes. It won't stop them. It will simply encourage them to fly slower or lower. Whatever the choice made, the end result is slightly more historic.

Keep in mind that some bombers like the Boston and Ju88 are already limited in their range w/ 2x burn rate.
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« Reply #18 on: August 01, 2011, 11:40:48 AM »
True.. true... They also aren't as affected by the weight going from 25% to 100%.

Then how about anything with 4 engines has an increased burn rate?

Although, Ju88s and B-25s still cruised to and from targets also. The Boston III has a very fast cruise last I recall, For an early war bomber it outruns most fighters from the same time frame when flown full-throttle in this game. It's one problem with the early war setups/scenarios because the bombers are all too fast.

Might bring them down in speed if they are forced to cruise due to shorter range.

So, on second thought I think they probably need it as well.

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« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2011, 11:46:19 AM »
No DT unless 100%? You would never need that much gas in AH-- the maps are too small, and a 6 hour sortie is ridiculous. Might as well hijack the submarine.

I often take 100% plus 3 drop tanks in the P47M.  Save for the F4U-4.  But then I'm not a "quick action" type guy -- I get some alt before engaging and intend to land when I take off.
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« Reply #20 on: August 01, 2011, 11:47:19 AM »
Krusty,do you even play the game?
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Re: Fuel load outs`
« Reply #21 on: August 01, 2011, 11:49:05 AM »
I'm sorry, I don't feed trolls.

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« Reply #22 on: August 01, 2011, 11:49:48 AM »
I'm sorry, I don't feed trolls.

by answering a simple question?
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Re: Fuel load outs`
« Reply #23 on: August 01, 2011, 11:54:03 AM »
I'm sorry, I don't feed trolls.

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Re: Fuel load outs`
« Reply #24 on: August 01, 2011, 11:59:46 AM »
See Rule #4
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« Reply #25 on: August 01, 2011, 12:04:09 PM »
There's a difference though, in how fighters and bombers worked.

Thunder, don't put words in my mouth by editing the quote in retarded ways.

I agree with you on the fuel thing, but hey you cant discriminate against bombers and say it's different.  just leave as it is go by 25% that way no uppng in less than 10% fuel and spoiling my vulches by hoing everything in sight.

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« Reply #26 on: August 01, 2011, 12:08:44 PM »
"breaking the vulch" would also be another area of gaming the game, as you mention. IMO that's just bad planning. If you're being vulched, stop taking off, is what I say. I guess we're in agreement there.



P.S. I wonder how long it takes for trolls to starve to death after you stop feeding them?

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« Reply #27 on: August 01, 2011, 12:16:28 PM »
"breaking the vulch" would also be another area of gaming the game, as you mention. IMO that's just bad planning. If you're being vulched, stop taking off, is what I say. I guess we're in agreement there.



P.S. I wonder how long it takes for trolls to starve to death after you stop feeding them?

i dont know what you think trolling is but heres your answer

Trolling-
 
Trolling is trying to get a rise out of someone. Forcing them to respond to you, either through wise-crackery, posting incorrect information, asking blatantly stupid questions, or other foolishness. However, trolling statements are never true or are ever meant to be construed as such. Nearly all trolled statements are meant to be funny to some people, so it does have some social/entertainment value.

asking if you played the game was not wise-crackery nor posting incorrect information.or any other of the defined things that explain a troll.

simple question Krusty...simple question.
 
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« Reply #28 on: August 01, 2011, 12:22:11 PM »
No. Stupid question. Loaded stupid question. Loaded agenda-filled, waiting-to-retort-with-insults, stupid question.

Asking a blatantly stupid question with the intent (clearly so) of replying with snide comments or retorts.

In short you're trolling for a setup to a response you will make that will be inflamatory.


Trolling. Flamebaiting.

Hence why I did not answer.

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« Reply #29 on: August 01, 2011, 12:27:12 PM »
No. Stupid question. Loaded stupid question. Loaded agenda-filled, waiting-to-retort-with-insults, stupid question.

Asking a blatantly stupid question with the intent (clearly so) of replying with snide comments or retorts.

In short you're trolling for a setup to a response you will make that will be inflamatory.


Trolling. Flamebaiting.

Hence why I did not answer.

i was not planning on replying in any manor of that.I just wanted to know if you even play the game and what your handle is..thats all.if i was planning on trolling I'd come up with a better,dumber,unreasonable question.maybe the gummy bears thing.if you think i was planning on trolling by asking you if you play the game then sorry,but that wasnt the plan
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