Need some urgent help on 9-11 info...

[Tigger29]

Before 9/11 anyone could walk into the gates.  Anyone could get a boarding pass.  You didn't need to show your ID to get through security.  I'm not even sure you had to show your ID to get on the plane.  I remember my uncle helping us to move half way across the country.  My mom flew with my newborn sister with a round trip ticket.  My uncle drove one of our cars to the new house and then used that same round trip ticket to fly back with.  That obviously wouldn't be allowed these days.

I remember going to the airport to pick my mom up back in 1993.  I parked the car, walked through the air port, walked through a metal detector and met her right as she came out of the door for the ramp.  You couldn't do that after 9/11.

If you notice the airports built after 9/11 have separate ramp areas where you have to go through security then get on a train or walkway to get to the ramps.  Airports built before 9/11 have "makeshift" security checkpoints right at the entrance to the ramp areas.  Personally I don't quite understand the overreaction as far as that goes.  Why limit the gates to ticket holders?  I don't recall ever hearing of any bombs going off in the airports themselves in the U.S...

[flight17]

not completely true... some airports started to use landside and airside terminals (with trams in between) in the late 80's and early 90's. Pittsburgh has an airside and landside terminal and it opened in 92 i believe.

In the landside terminal is all the ticketing, security and bagauge. In the airside terminal is the full size mall and boarding gates.

[Tigger29]

not completely true... some airports started to use landside and airside terminals (with trams in between) in the late 80's and early 90's. Pittsburgh has an airside and landside terminal and it opened in 92 i believe.

In the landside terminal is all the ticketing, security and bagauge. In the airside terminal is the full size mall and boarding gates.

yes you're correct... but generally speaking you can tell the airports that were designed with the new security procedures in mind.  Here at Lambert it used to be one big open space and they've walled off a section and put the security right in the middle with ropes in place so you can't go around it as there was real separate lobby and boarding area...

[CAP1]

Well here is my paper as of now... CC welcome. Its supposed to be an informative writing that shows a cause and affect

pretty nice write up....but do you know that they could've instituted the same system the israilis use, for a LOT less money, and avoided the poop that goes on now?

 i wish i could remember where i read it....but although nothing is supposed to get through, there's people paid to test security. wherever i read it, the article said that something near 80% of their employees managed to sneak something banned onto the aircraft.

[flight17]

pretty nice write up....but do you know that they could've instituted the same system the israilis use, for a LOT less money, and avoided the poop that goes on now?

 i wish i could remember where i read it....but although nothing is supposed to get through, there's people paid to test security. wherever i read it, the article said that something near 80% of their employees managed to sneak something banned onto the aircraft.

thanks...

 i deffinately dont think we are any safer than before 9-11 but thats another topic.

 but i was running out of time so i just stuck with that side of view as if we were safer. it just had to show a cause an affect...

[CAP1]

thanks...

 i deffinately dont think we are any safer than before 9-11 but thats another topic.

 but i was running out of time so i just stuck with that side of view as if we were safer. it just had to show a cause an affect...

it's ok. what you wrote is very nicely written......i tried to skirt anything that possibly might've gotten your thread locked.........

[BoilerDown]

I don't think you can use this thread as an actual source in your report.  Too many people "remembering" things.

That said, I'll always remember the first time I got on an airplane post-9/11.  It was mid-December 2001, and I was going on Masaba airlines from LAF to DTW to go home for Christmas.  This is a small regional flight, I don't remember what kind of aircraft it was, but I think it only had 21 seats.  The airport had a "definitely do not F with" guy from the National Guard with his hand on his holstered handgun staring down each and every passenger as we were checked through security.  I guess I felt safer because of it, but I also realized what we lost as a nation after that.

[icepac]

Dulles has been using the "trams" or mobile lounges since 1962.

Up to about 1968, some had a small bar in them.

[WYOKIDIII]

Dulles has been using the "trams" or mobile lounges since 1962.

Up to about 1968, some had a small bar in them.

When the Boeing 747 was new it was fairly standard for them to have a bar on the upper deck . I wonder how many stilll do ?

[fbWldcat]

Not sure about this one, but here at BG and ESPECIALLY at Orlando In't AP, they will announce the severity of the homeland security situation. At Orlando, it was "Code Orange" every single time we went.

[dedalos]

Before 9/11 anyone could walk into the gates.  Anyone could get a boarding pass.  You didn't need to show your ID to get through security.  I'm not even sure you had to show your ID to get on the plane.  I remember my uncle helping us to move half way across the country.  My mom flew with my newborn sister with a round trip ticket.  My uncle drove one of our cars to the new house and then used that same round trip ticket to fly back with.  That obviously wouldn't be allowed these days.

I remember going to the airport to pick my mom up back in 1993.  I parked the car, walked through the air port, walked through a metal detector and met her right as she came out of the door for the ramp.  You couldn't do that after 9/11.

If you notice the airports built after 9/11 have separate ramp areas where you have to go through security then get on a train or walkway to get to the ramps.  Airports built before 9/11 have "makeshift" security checkpoints right at the entrance to the ramp areas.  Personally I don't quite understand the overreaction as far as that goes.  Why limit the gates to ticket holders?  I don't recall ever hearing of any bombs going off in the airports themselves in the U.S...

I think you are thinking of 9/11/1980.  You could not just walk to the gates without a boarding pass in 2000

[wil3ur]

Common sense is no longer allowed in Airports after 9/11. 

"Strip search that Granny, figure out what's in her diaper!  That retarded kid over there, take his lollypop, it could be a weapon!  We need to enhanced patdown that little girl over there!!!   Mr. Abdulla, please go right through, and take your Nigerian friend w/o a boarding pass or plane ticket...  we's lookin for terrorists!  HEY!  STOP THAT PREGNANT WOMAN, SHE COULD BE KEISTERING HE!!!!"

[flight17]

I think you are thinking of 9/11/1980.  You could not just walk to the gates without a boarding pass in 2000

yes you could... it wasnt until 9-11 that you werent allowed to the gates.