Women Pilots

[Guppy35]

and how often does that happen?

The point is the same.  The rules are what they are, and they aren't going to take any chances regardless if folks like or dislike the president at the time when the airspace violation occurs.  That it was a sweet little old lady in an antique bird, is irrelevant. 

[CAP1]

The point is the same.  The rules are what they are, and they aren't going to take any chances regardless if folks like or dislike the president at the time when the airspace violation occurs.  That it was a sweet little old lady in an antique bird, is irrelevant. 

 i know, and fully understand.

 i do feel bad for her though, in that she will lose her license. they won't use enough common sense to realize that she didn't pose a threat.

 this also(as mentioned)isn't unique to the current cic. it happened at least 2x just here in the nj/philly area under the previous cic. in fact, i saw the f16's fly over my shop on the way to intercept one of them.

[dedalos]

Props to her for flying, and at 75 too, but that's some world-class stupid right there.

On the parts of the government?  Yes, I agree

[icepac]

It's not like she violated a Military operations area.

The airspace she's flown for the last 20 years became a restricted area on short notice.

[VonMessa]

It's not like she violated a Military operations area.

The airspace she's flown for the last 20 years became a restricted area on short notice.

Which is why it is the responsibility of the PIC to check NOTAM's before each flight.

Every flight.

No exceptions.  Not even when your computer is broken.  Not even if you don't have a radio.

If you cannot check the conditions or airspace restrictions where you are planning to fly, stay on the ground.

End of story.

[Tupac]

I fly in MOAs all the time. I don't have a choice though, because all of south central Texas is one big MOA. Now if she flew into prohibited or restricted airspace that would be a little bit different.

Of course if they didn't put a 50 mile wide TFR up wherever POTUS goes this wouldn't be a problem.

[CAP1]

On the parts of the government?  Yes, I agree

 and on her part too. really, in todays world, there is no excuse to not know about a tfr....and there's generally plenty of notice.

[CAP1]

It's not like she violated a Military operations area.

The airspace she's flown for the last 20 years became a restricted area on short notice.

 it is every pilots obligation to become famalier with ALL facets of their flight. this would include checking for tfr's, and notams. they generally give enough notice before a tfr goes into effect.

[CAP1]

Which is why it is the responsibility of the PIC to check NOTAM's before each flight.

Every flight.

No exceptions.  Not even when your computer is broken.  Not even if you don't have a radio.

If you cannot check the conditions or airspace restrictions where you are planning to fly, stay on the ground.

End of story.

 in fact, the broken computer is a suck asd excuse......i always called on the phone to check when i was up in the air more.

[CAP1]

I fly in MOAs all the time. I don't have a choice though, because all of south central Texas is one big MOA. Now if she flew into prohibited or restricted airspace that would be a little bit different.

Of course if they didn't put a 50 mile wide TFR up wherever POTUS goes this wouldn't be a problem.

 i fly out of N14 when i go up. i think once you've gone about a mile east of that runway, you're in mcguires moa. you're generally good, unless you brake the bases airspace.......

[PFactorDave]

the sad part is that this poor woman is probably gonna have her cert. revoked.

I'm not so sure.  I doubt that the current administration will want to risk having this sweet older lady appearing at republican political rallies.  I can hear the, "Soft on terrorism" quotes as they display the Lady as what the administration thinks is a terror threat.

I rather expect that on the administrations request, the FAA will give her a slap on the wrist and hope it all goes away.

[dedalos]

it is every pilots obligation to become famalier with ALL facets of their flight. this would include checking for tfr's, and notams. they generally give enough notice before a tfr goes into effect.

It is also every ones obligation to not freak out and over react to everything.  If that plane had other intentions its mission would have been completed before the ridicules over reaction of scrambling F16s.  It is all about keeping the fear going and has nothing to do with any ones protection.  When a guy flew his plane into a building here in Austin last year the F16s did not even know it happened until after the flames were out.

Give me one example where these ridicules measures have actually stopped someone from doing something.  They only server to keep the fear alive and at best to cause accidents and legal problems for people.  

[CAP1]

It is also every ones obligation to not freak out and over react to everything.  If that plane had other intentions its mission would have been completed before the ridicules over reaction of scrambling F16s.  It is all about keeping the fear going and has nothing to do with any ones protection.  When a guy flew his plane into a building here in Austin last year the F16s did not even know it happened until after the flames were out.

Give me one example where these ridicules measures have actually stopped someone from doing something.  They only server to keep the fear alive and at best to cause accidents and legal problems for people.  

 i understand that, and agree. like i said....i saw the f16's fly over my shop otw to intercept a menacing cessna 152 out of kvay.

 it is our responsibility to not give them ammunition to do this silly stuff though.


 that being said......i'm with the old lady on this one. there is no requirement to have her radio on, and in fact, the couple people i know that have piper cubs don't even have radios in them.

 she should have called flight services though. she really should have.

[Guppy35]

It is also every ones obligation to not freak out and over react to everything.  If that plane had other intentions its mission would have been completed before the ridicules over reaction of scrambling F16s.  It is all about keeping the fear going and has nothing to do with any ones protection.  When a guy flew his plane into a building here in Austin last year the F16s did not even know it happened until after the flames were out.

Give me one example where these ridicules measures have actually stopped someone from doing something.  They only server to keep the fear alive and at best to cause accidents and legal problems for people.  

And if they'd ignored it and not responded and something had happened, can you imagine the crisis that would have become?  I'd suggest it's a no win situation.  And I'm guessing the reaction here is stronger then it will be towards the little old lady in regards her license.  It was an honest mistake.  The "investigation' will show this, and everyone will go on their merry way.

[dedalos]

And if they'd ignored it and not responded and something had happened, can you imagine the crisis that would have become?  I'd suggest it's a no win situation.  And I'm guessing the reaction here is stronger then it will be towards the little old lady in regards her license.  It was an honest mistake.  The "investigation' will show this, and everyone will go on their merry way.

As I said, show me one example where these out of proportion measures, stopped anyone from doing anything.  It is a minimal risk you take in order to have a normal life. 

Strip searching everyone before leaving home and having them provide with a traveling plan with destinations, purpose, and arrival time would bring crime down to nothing.  But, I am willing to take the risk and not have those measures in place.  You?