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Offline Shane

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Re: Spixteen perked ?
« Reply #165 on: August 10, 2011, 06:10:46 PM »
I'll put it this way....

bunnies in a Spit16 easily kills bunnies in a k4.

bunnies in a ki84 easily kills bunnies in a k4

so you're saying.... bunnies sucks in a k4?     :banana:
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Re: Spixteen perked ?
« Reply #166 on: August 10, 2011, 06:11:08 PM »
Zeagle and I were winging in 190A8's yesterday. We were engaged by a Spit 16, a Ki-84, a P-38, a P-51, and an F4U. With the help of some pony driver whos name I forget, we outfought them for quite a while. I would have had 9 kills instead of the 5 I landed if I'd had any taters left.

Please don't make disparaging comments about the 190  :aok.
These kinds of comments are meaningless BS and here is why..
1) Were all the pilots equal in skill?
2) Did you start off at equal alt and equal speed?
3) Did neither party have an element of surprise?
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Re: Spixteen perked ?
« Reply #167 on: August 10, 2011, 06:12:04 PM »
so you're saying.... bunnies sucks in a k4?     :banana:

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Re: Spixteen perked ?
« Reply #168 on: August 10, 2011, 06:22:22 PM »
These kinds of comments are meaningless BS and here is why..
1) Were all the pilots equal in skill?
2) Did you start off at equal alt and equal speed?
3) Did neither party have an element of surprise?

1) No way to tell, fight wasn't protracted. We were attempting to egress due to low fuel and increasing numbers of enemies

2) they started out with more E than we did actually. I'd just knocked the Ki-84 off Zeagle's tail which left us both about 250mph and on the deck.

3) nope, neither side was supprised
« Last Edit: August 10, 2011, 06:27:00 PM by Tank-Ace »
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Re: Spixteen perked ?
« Reply #169 on: August 10, 2011, 06:25:05 PM »
Bf109K-4s concern me more than Spitfire Mk XVI's.  They are both deadly and aircraft I struggle against, but I definitely respect the Bf109K-4 more.
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Re: Spixteen perked ?
« Reply #170 on: August 10, 2011, 06:53:51 PM »
True, but I'm just calling it like I see it.  If a player doesn't like the fact that he flies an EZ plane, then he can do something about it.  If he wants to pretend it is not EZ because other EZ moders tell him it is not EZ, that's fine also, but I am laughing.   :lol

Honestly, in most instances I drool when I see the so called EZ planes in the air, because I know one or two turns and I can be inside the guy with most planes with a couple simple tricks that a noob will fall for every time.  That goes back to my first point that while there are characteristics of planes that allow noobs to have a more fighting chance in them, to use them to any effect still requires skill which most lack.  Only when a pilot with a decent skill set gets into one of those planes and flys to it's strengths do you start hearing chants of EZ Mode...

However like I said with the Zeke, the thing is anything but EZ to survive in.  Yes you may get a kill or two, and may have a couple of turns to blow someone elses pass, but 1 ping you're still a flaming pilot of debris streaking across the air at 280mph...  I think it says more for the SA and translating that into ACM of a successful EZ mode pilot, than doing the same with a Jug or 190 that'll soak damage for hours and give them a ride capable of diving out of trouble and making it home.

I'd say at most, plane accounts for 25% of the equation.  Pilot is 50% and situation/position would be the other 25%.
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Re: Spixteen perked ?
« Reply #171 on: August 10, 2011, 06:55:31 PM »
I fly the humble, average 9. 
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Too bad you missed the days when the 9 had the .50's option...

And the 109f4 had gondies... 

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Re: Spixteen perked ?
« Reply #172 on: August 10, 2011, 06:59:53 PM »
Zeagle and I were winging in 190A8's yesterday. We were engaged by a Spit 16, a Ki-84, a P-38, a P-51, and an F4U. With the help of some pony driver whos name I forget, we outfought them for quite a while. I would have had 9 kills instead of the 5 I landed if I'd had any taters left.

Please don't make disparaging comments about the 190  :aok.

ehh....190's easy kill, un less they have huge E advantage and just BnZ which is all it can do...sorry man just state it like I see it....

anytime you wanna try out that 190 against my KI let me know will be fun :t





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Re: Spixteen perked ?
« Reply #173 on: August 10, 2011, 07:05:30 PM »
Too bad you missed the days when the 9 had the .50's option...

And the 109f4 had gondies... 

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Re: Spixteen perked ?
« Reply #174 on: August 10, 2011, 07:08:11 PM »
Ooooooo....that sounds delicious!
It was also wrong, in the Spit's case, and rare, in the Bf109's case.

Only Spitfire LF.Mk IXe with Merlin 66 and Spitfire HF.Mk IXe with Merlin 70 had the .50 cals among Spitfire Mk IXs.  The Merlin 61 Spitfire F.Mk IX certainly didn't have them.
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Re: Spixteen perked ?
« Reply #175 on: August 10, 2011, 07:22:36 PM »
And by the way, just pointing out I'm the only one so far who's had an actual idea or solution to the issue, and hasn't just been yelling about how bad it is...  Definately helps if you can at least be constructive towards a point and not waste 12 pages arguing whether it's a moded Spit IX or a Spit XVI or whether grizz would fly the spixteen if it had taters....
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Re: Spixteen perked ?
« Reply #176 on: August 10, 2011, 07:26:55 PM »
anytime you wanna try out that 190 against my KI let me know will be fun :t

no disrespect meant :salute


how you feel about lala's?   :noid  :banana:  :neener: :bolt:
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Re: Spixteen perked ?
« Reply #177 on: August 10, 2011, 07:31:34 PM »
It was also wrong, in the Spit's case, and rare, in the Bf109's case.

Only Spitfire LF.Mk IXe with Merlin 66 and Spitfire HF.Mk IXe with Merlin 70 had the .50 cals among Spitfire Mk IXs.  The Merlin 61 Spitfire F.Mk IX certainly didn't have them.

and stuffz like this is why we get the VIII, XVI and K4, G14...  :noid  :aok

The g2 w/gondies is adequate  :joystick: ... never cared for the g6, no matter the loadout.

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Re: Spixteen perked ?
« Reply #178 on: August 10, 2011, 07:55:50 PM »
and stuffz like this is why we get the VIII, XVI and K4, G14...  :noid  :aok

The g2 w/gondies is adequate  :joystick: ... never cared for the g6, no matter the loadout.



I've read there were K4 variants w/ 2 wing mounted 30mm's in addition to the centerline that were also flown in the war...

On a side note...  I was reading that in order to rush the Ta152 into combat, many D11's were upgraded w/ the engine package and a larger tail surface, but lacked the destinctive wings and gun package of the 152...  Does anyone know if we use the small tail or big tail D11 in here?
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Re: Spixteen perked ?
« Reply #179 on: August 10, 2011, 08:05:01 PM »
And by the way, just pointing out I'm the only one so far who's had an actual idea or solution to the issue, and hasn't just been yelling about how bad it is...  Definately helps if you can at least be constructive towards a point and not waste 12 pages arguing whether it's a moded Spit IX or a Spit XVI or whether grizz would fly the spixteen if it had taters....
I responded to your idea by pointing out that you were gravely misinformed about the operation requirements of the aircraft you were speaking of.  That you are ignoring the feedback doesn't speak well for your position.
I've read there were K4 variants w/ 2 wing mounted 30mm's in addition to the centerline that were also flown in the war...
Do you have a primary source or an article/book referencing a primary source on that?  I've never heard of 30mm gondolas on Bf109s.
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