Need a entry level rifle...but which one?

[ToeTag]

Your more trusting than I am.  I don't buy what I can't touch.  I also want something new.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Your more trusting than I am.  I don't buy what I can't touch.  I also want something new.

They were all new. From dealers.

[ToeTag]

Bummer! Went in to buy the 111 and filled out the paper work.  Then I get a "delayed".....? WTF?!!!!

"if we don't call you back by the 23rd then he's ok" was the response to the store.

Anyone been here before? Just wondering if it's the 14.00 dollars I owe the IRS.   

[mbailey]

I see this at our shop occasionally, 80% of the time its that your name is the same as someone in the data base whom shouldnt be trying to buy a gun. I wouldnt worry to much if you have nothing to worry about. Could also be a random check, meaning your the lucky one out of every 50 calls that gets delayed to make sure the system (NICS/PICS) is working.

My favorite was when someone would come in, ask us to run the check to "see" if he could buy a gun(knowing full well he shouldnt even be trying).........I used to tell them that if they think there is a reason they wont pass, then no i wont, and you need to go check with your local law enforcement office. When they would tell me ok nevermind, Id like to buy this gun, I (we) wouldnt sell it to them.Owner of the shop backs us up everytime  

[rogwar]

Go with a .308 or 7mm-08 and learn to place the shot exactly where it should be. Follow good barrel cleaning practices and use copper as well as powder solvent. See online videos about correct cleaning a cleaning rod guides to avoid damaging barrel.

Savage is hard to beat for the price. Get a good recoil pad as well. No need to beat yourself up. Limbsaver is a good brand. Don't go cheap on the scope.

Howa, Tika, Browning, Winchester are all good shooters.
 
.30-06 is a great cartridge and you can get good factory ammo at Walmart even if needed in a pinch. However it's got a kick and since you may have not shot a lot you don't want to develop a flinch. 270 has taken game all over as well but I like a little bigger bullet.

[Becinhu]

A good .06 doesn't have a bad kick.  I have 2. My grandfather's Sears & Roebuck .06 is the only gun I have ever been afraid of.  Stinkin thing kicks like a mule.  Solid walnut stock with original recoil pad on it.  My Winchester Model 70 .30-06 doesn't have 1/10 the kick of that beast.  The recoil is actually lighter after I broke the original stock and replaced it with a synthetic.

I did start hunting/shooting when I was 10 though.  Started with a .22, moved up to a .410, then a .30-30 which was MY first gun that I purchased on my own at 13 (Dad signed for it).  I got 10 bucks a week allowance and I walked across the street from my grandmothers every Sunday to put my 10 bucks down on the layaway.  Took me all summer to buy it (it was $130 in 1983ish). 

[ToeTag]

SWEET...got the call.  Going to the range on Saturday.   

[Grayeagle]

I learned to shoot usin a lever action Marlin .22 .. as a previous poster said, rounds down range and knowledge of how to shoot will get you where you want to go.

Moved up to a semi auto Remington .22 rifle .. I would go out with 3k rounds or so and just plink at a range ..practicin shootin the center out of a paper target.
Moved the target out when it got too easy.

Took my first deer with open sight Springfield 30-06 .. tween the eyes at 30 yards or so.

I was 15 then, had spent a summer shootin crows for a farmer with my .22.
He paid me a nickel apeice and I financed alla U-control and R/C planes I useda fly doin just that

As in Aces High .. it was the finisher after a proper setup:
 .. a few hours of trackin thru the snow up at the South fork of the Dearborn River, near Lincoln, Montana.
He heard us and was behind a rock shelf, head popped up framed by bush right at ground level, I whispered to Dad, he had no visual till I fired and the head dropped.
Dad lectured me on bein sure of my shot all the way over to the shelf .. deer was layin at the bottom, 4-point, dressed out to about 180lbs when we finished.
We (my brother, Dad, a friend of Dad's, and I) packed out two miles back to the camp and truck (a '49 international.. went anywhere)

Tip for hunting in the mountains of Montana . . get a good side arm .. 357/44 Ruger or some such.
Be proficient with it.
You have a bear/Elk/Hog pissed off and come out of the bushes at you just frik-kin shoot it till it stops movin.
Rifle can be a hindrance in close up encounters.
They do happen.

Basic training in the USAF ..first day with the M-16 was 'interesting' ..I shot expert ..it was soo much like shootin my lil .22
I useda shoot the center out of my target and then work on the guys next to me -evil grin-

Years later they converted by usin .22 adapters in the M-16 .. made it even more like my lil .22

-Frank aka GE

[ToeTag]

Was wondering about the side arm.  I can pick the ears off of you at 30 yds with my Glock 19.  If I loaded g-shock ammo would that be sufficient for lions, pigs and bears? considering I'll hit them in the head 12 outta 16 rapid fire?

[SmokinLoon]

Was wondering about the side arm.  I can pick the ears off of you at 30 yds with my Glock 19.  If I loaded g-shock ammo would that be sufficient for lions, pigs and bears? considering I'll hit them in the head 12 outta 16 rapid fire?

Come back down to earth.  Stop talking tactical ghetto.  If you are going to hunt with a handgun, use a proper caliber and gun.  A Glock 19 is neither.  You dont want volume, you want accuracy.  A 6in barreled .357 Mag revlover loaded with 158gr HP's will do nicely.  When a lion, hog, or bear comes charging, you dont have time for "12 outa 16", you will have time for 1 or 2 aimed shots and when those rounds connect you want them to stop dead the target and a 9mm Luger is lacking.  Trust me.  This comes from a guy who carried a 9mm Sig while on LEO duty.  Wild game and mankind are 2 different things.     

[rogwar]

Was wondering about the side arm.  I can pick the ears off of you at 30 yds with my Glock 19.  If I loaded g-shock ammo would that be sufficient for lions, pigs and bears? considering I'll hit them in the head 12 outta 16 rapid fire?

Only if you hold it sideways.

[ToeTag]

Stop talking tactical ghetto.     

There's tactical ghetto speak?  What part of "is G-shock ammo"..by the way there is a g-shock brand name of ammo out there....is ghetto the "G" ?  I swear you ask a legitimate question and the complete maroon's come out!

Only if you hold it sideways.

What dip stick takes the sights of their gun out of the sight picture?  Probably the guy thats going to die.

And further more what the F is both of your problem? It was a simple question.  Your answer should have been "9mm is not a good round for a charging bear even if it is G-shock .....etc.

[Grayeagle]

We had a Bull Elk come chargin out of the brush while we were walkin down a path .. heard him comin from a few hundred feet so we were out of his path when he came into view about 30 feet from us.

Dad's friend had a 30-30 lever action Winchester.

Dad put his arm over the guys barrel and said that lil popgun will just piss him off.
I was 6'2" when I was 15 and my head was at this beasts shoulder.. it was *huge*

It braked to a stop when it saw us, took a long look, Dad and I both had our Rugers on him ..if he had taken the step toward us we would have had a hell of a time dressin all that out and packin it ..prolly 1500 lbs of meat.
The beast turned and continued on its way, smashing down small trees off into the distance.

We kinda looked at each other .. laughed a bit .. I mean we would have been at that all day long just cleanin it up.. LOL.

You'd want a round that will go thru all that bone first time, no muss no fuss .. and if you took an unexpected dip in the creek you would still want that gun to fire if required ..revolver will. Semi auto may not.

-Frank aka GE

[rogwar]

There's tactical ghetto speak?  What part of "is G-shock ammo"..by the way there is a g-shock brand name of ammo out there....is ghetto the "G" ?  I swear you ask a legitimate question and the complete maroon's come out!

What dip stick takes the sights of their gun out of the sight picture?  Probably the guy thats going to die.

And further more what the F is both of your problem? It was a simple question.  Your answer should have been "9mm is not a good round for a charging bear even if it is G-shock .....etc.

 

[Maverick]

Was wondering about the side arm.  I can pick the ears off of you at 30 yds with my Glock 19.  If I loaded g-shock ammo would that be sufficient for lions, pigs and bears? considering I'll hit them in the head 12 outta 16 rapid fire?

Aside from the fact that this post shows a distinct lack of any knowledge about hunting you need to check the regs. You will find that hunting regulations cover things like type of weapon used, caliber and amount of shells allowed in the weapon at the time.

No one who knows anything about hunting those kinds of critters in their right mind thinks that any 9 x 19 from ANY style firearm is a valid round for hunting lions and bears. Trying to do so would be a definite application for a well deserved Darwin award. That gene pool would show serious need of cleaning.