Analyze This: QPM vs. grizz Venn

[Nefarious]

Hey Tango, how bout you stop doing this math crap and get back in the game      

[dtango]

Hey Tango, how bout you stop doing this math crap and get back in the game      

  I can't afford it right now.  I'm house broke .  I've even resorted to taking my own lunchee's to work everyday.  Thanks for the encouragement though brutha Nef .

[Babalonian]

Infusing the topic with areo-geek maths of power-to-weight, wing-loading, & max level speed...grizz, I see your venn diagram and raise you a....

...Quasi Performance Meter....   

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Here's how you read it.....


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As for "EZ" vs. "hard", here's my take on it 


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Please debate among yourselves...

   Happy hat for you!

[dtango]

 Happy hat for you!

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No, no you've got the wrong metaphor.  Star Wars >>>>> Star Trek.  They know their physics.  Let me help you.  This is better.

[Fox]

I played around with the data a little more this weekend.  I wasn't able to use the file dtango sent for some reason, so I just used the data from DokGonzo's site and added a few more planes.

This table shows the planes rank ordered for max sea level speed, time to accelerate from 150-200 mph, and best turn radius.  The top 10 of each category were highlighted.  No planes rank in the top 10 for all three categories.  Only 4 planes rank in the top 10 for two categories: the Tempest, La-7, Bf109K-4 and Spit 14.



I graphed the planes that were highlighted in the table (meaning they were in the top 10 for speed, acceleration, turn radius).  I combined acceleration into speed and turn radius to make a 2D graph, instead of the 3D I made before. 

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I see an error

the F4U-1A, Yak-9U, and the P51-B all do 358 SL speed yet they are ranked 10 , 11, 12, respectively, they should all be ranked "10" or whatever "358" falls under.

[Shane]

I see an error

the F4U-1A, Yak-9U, and the P51-B all do 358 SL speed yet they are ranked 10 , 11, 12, respectively, they should all be ranked "10" or whatever "358" falls under.

actually, I'd think a secondary sorting based on accel would rank them within 358, meaning the hog would drop down below the pony.

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actually, I'd think a secondary sorting based on accel would rank them within 358, meaning the hog would drop down below the pony.

I agree, but they all should be totaled equally......maybe I am looking at it wrong...if the totals are combined, or what ever math is used, the planes with the same speed is the first equation...so they should be scored equally if the do the same exact speed.....

ahhhhhhhhhhhgggggggggghhhhhhh hhhh   this is why I am an artist 

[Fox]

You are correct about the ranking, they should be the same if the attribute is the same.  I only did the ranking to narrow the planes down to a manageable number.  Originally I had this as a 3D graph, with acceleration on the third axis.  The 3d graph is hard to see without being to rotate it, so I attempted to convert it into a 2D graph.  To do so I divided speed by acceleration and multiplied best radius times acceleration.  The data used to create the graph doesn't have anything to do with the rankings.

[Karnak]

The Mosquito does 357mph on the deck, not 339.  That looks like a speed from the old Mosquito, before it was updated graphically and got its new flight model.  I believe it also accelerates/climbs a bit better as well.

[Fox]

The numbers I used are dated because they came from DokGonzo's site.

I have made several different graphs trying to see how the 10 best planes compare based on the three categories mentionied before.  The graph below shows speed vs turn radius without factoring in acceleration.  I haven't cleaned it up, so some of the names overlap.



I'm not trying to make any claims about which planes are better or which attributes are more important.  I simply made some graphs for different planes using data I found and I thought I would post in case anyone finds interesting.  I only got the idea because of dtango, so this is all his fault.

[dtango]

I'm not trying to make any claims about which planes are better or which attributes are more important.

C'mon, have a take.  What's not to enjoy about starting intardnet fights with rabid airplane fanboyz deluded by non-sensical, self inflating opinions of what is or is not "EZ"?  

I simply made some graphs for different planes using data I found and I thought I would post in case anyone finds interesting.  I only got the idea because of dtango, so this is all his fault.

Yes, you've discovered I make a good substitute as a speed bump for a bus.

Just remember- Instead, everyone will die for his own sin; whoever eats sour grapes--his own teeth will be set on edge.  (Jeremiah 31:30)

[Babalonian]

I agree, but they all should be totaled equally......maybe I am looking at it wrong...if the totals are combined, or what ever math is used, the planes with the same speed is the first equation...so they should be scored equally if the do the same exact speed.....

ahhhhhhhhhhhgggggggggghhhhhhh hhhh   this is why I am an artist 

Drafting, Landscape Design, Irrigation Engineering - all a bunch of fancy terms for sitting on my butt all day only drawing lines, arcs and cirles.

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Drafting, Landscape Design, Irrigation Engineering - all a bunch of fancy terms for sitting on my butt all day only drawing lines, arcs and cirles.

 

drafting was fun, I was quite good at that when I was young.

[Wmaker]

Tango,

About the FM arguments and talking about physics in general,

Just a general comment...

Never underestimate the power of idiots in large groups. Morons can saturate any BBS if they have the time in their hands to do so. As tragic as it may be.