World of Tanks

[Tac]

I'm not going to argue over the internet because that just exposes stupidity but I will say this:

Saying it is impossible to snipe with that gun is ridiculous. My friend and I both practice sniping with the 152mm "derp" gun on the KV and we both tend to do very well.

Is it difficult? Yes.
Is it impossible? Only for those who are too impatient.

I agree. When I was in the M10 I used the 105mm howitzer and I sniped with it with great results. HE rounds are made for sniping due to the game mechanics of the HE rounds not losing penetration value with range (whereas AP rounds lose 25% past 200m and 10% for every 100m after that). If you have a very high damage HE round that reload slowly like those on a howitzer then sniping is the best thing you can do.

The round has the same 30% chance to miss the spot you aimed for. The howitzer's accuracy stats, as a game mechanic, have -NOTHING- to do with its to-hit chance. All it does is make the aiming reticle narrower or larger. The aiming reticle is the area where the shell will hit if it rolls a miss.

Hence, once you get a hang of the gun itself, you can have the same hit ratio that you have in super-accurate guns.

[Rhah]

This thread is sad. skorpion, have you ever used HE in WoT?? if so, you would realize that HE damages just about everything it hits. that's how arty works. that how the 105mm works. when I had my Sherman in beta I stuck the 105 on it and owned just about everything I came across. apparently you are too thick-headed to realize you are wrong, and you will probably try to insult me with your next incorrect post. I dont have a sherman in my garage atm because I havnt played my acct much but if I get one I will gladly do a training battle with you and wreck your precious tiger.

[Tyrannis]

This thread is sad. skorpion, have you ever used HE in WoT?? if so, you would realize that HE damages just about everything it hits. that's how arty works. that how the 105mm works. when I had my Sherman in beta I stuck the 105 on it and owned just about everything I came across. apparently you are too thick-headed to realize you are wrong, and you will probably try to insult me with your next incorrect post. I dont have a sherman in my garage atm because I havnt played my acct much but if I get one I will gladly do a training battle with you and wreck your precious tiger.

Amazing little tank for its Tier eh?

When i get back into Wot i plan on just getting the sherman 105 and sticking with it while i work my way up the american TD line.

[Tac]

This thread is sad. skorpion, have you ever used HE in WoT?? if so, you would realize that HE damages just about everything it hits. that's how arty works. that how the 105mm works. when I had my Sherman in beta I stuck the 105 on it and owned just about everything I came across. apparently you are too thick-headed to realize you are wrong, and you will probably try to insult me with your next incorrect post. I dont have a sherman in my garage atm because I havnt played my acct much but if I get one I will gladly do a training battle with you and wreck your precious tiger.

You need to be careful when you say 'HE damages about everything it hits' . While technically true there's a big difference between the HE Artillery rounds, the HE from howitzer guns and the HE from regular tank guns.

The HE from artillery has insanely high damage range and good penetration for an HE round. Plus the artillery tends to drop those rounds on the soft upper armor thats why they hurt so much.

HE from howitzers have just a tad better penetration values than the regular gun but their HE damage is double, sometimes triple that of regular guns.

HE from regular guns has very poor penetration and usually just about 150% the damage an AP round would do.

HE damage regardless of gun is severely reduced based on the armor surface it hits. Hitting a heavy tank with an M10's 76mm HE in the front for example will do a very small amount of damage (1% hp or less per shot)..but its better than bouncing off an AP round.

Thing with HE is that it can damage modules but you need to remember modules have HP themselves so if you hit an IS4 with an M10's 76mm HE in the front the driver will barely take damage because the armor absorbed almost all the damage. A howitzer on the other hand would do mediocre damage to the tanks HP and ok damage to the modules in the same scenario because its HE damage amount is much higher so more of it will seep through the armor.


Personally, the only time you should use HE in a regular gun is if your AP wont pierce the side armor. Only then would an HE round be of use as you can start pelting the engine, tracks and hope for an ammo strike or engine fire.

[BaDkaRmA158Th]

It's about range, and target type.

HE for soft tanks, lights, arty..some mediums. "and for long range, if you have the option"
Ap for larger harder targets, at closer range, will often punch through a light or arty. "if you have that option"


Some guns that use both AP and HE are the harder guns to deal with, simply because you have that option to do more or less damage to a target depending on range,type and armor class.

[Spikes]

You need to be careful when you say 'HE damages about everything it hits' . While technically true there's a big difference between the HE Artillery rounds, the HE from howitzer guns and the HE from regular tank guns.

The HE from artillery has insanely high damage range and good penetration for an HE round. Plus the artillery tends to drop those rounds on the soft upper armor thats why they hurt so much.

HE from howitzers have just a tad better penetration values than the regular gun but their HE damage is double, sometimes triple that of regular guns.

HE from regular guns has very poor penetration and usually just about 150% the damage an AP round would do.

HE damage regardless of gun is severely reduced based on the armor surface it hits. Hitting a heavy tank with an M10's 76mm HE in the front for example will do a very small amount of damage (1% hp or less per shot)..but its better than bouncing off an AP round.

Thing with HE is that it can damage modules but you need to remember modules have HP themselves so if you hit an IS4 with an M10's 76mm HE in the front the driver will barely take damage because the armor absorbed almost all the damage. A howitzer on the other hand would do mediocre damage to the tanks HP and ok damage to the modules in the same scenario because its HE damage amount is much higher so more of it will seep through the armor.


Personally, the only time you should use HE in a regular gun is if your AP wont pierce the side armor. Only then would an HE round be of use as you can start pelting the engine, tracks and hope for an ammo strike or engine fire.

tl;dr

He doesn't have to be careful. It is the complete truth. HE damages everything that it hits.

[MarineUS]

To a degree.

HE rounds CAN bounce, but it is very unlikely. They would have to have a crazy angle going on.

ALSO

If they have spall liner, it is entirely possible for your HE to "hit" but do 0 damage (happens a lot when people fire at me on my Tiger II).

[Rhah]

HE damage regardless of gun is severely reduced based on the armor surface it hits. Hitting a heavy tank with an M10's 76mm HE in the front for example will do a very small amount of damage (1% hp or less per shot)..but its better than bouncing off an AP round.

incorrect. I've done 15+% damage to the front of a Tiger

[vatiAH]

Not to interrupt the argument or anything, it's a lot of fun. EDO, and I have been playing about a week now and are enjoying it.

Have Fun

Vati
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[Belial]

I just got the Tiger1 and i don't know if I'll make it through this one the thing is so underpowered I can't even penetrate KV's half the time.

[MarineUS]

Wait until you get the long 88 and the next to last engine. You'll be having fun at that point and it only gets better when you get a Tiger II (with the long 105 and upgraded turret which requires the tracks).

Tip: Keep the Tiger I when you get the Tiger II and use the Tiger I to grind the final engine and play the Tiger II to get the other upgrades (tracks first).

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

I just got the Tiger1 and i don't know if I'll make it through this one the thing is so underpowered I can't even penetrate KV's half the time.

Ah, the Tiger I, the turd in the German punch bowl. At least it leads to the Tiger II, that's a good ride.

[Belial]

I hear it's better with the long88 but I can't even kill a t29 unless hes awful and lets me shoot him in the butt 15 times with the short88

[Masherbrum]

I hear it's better with the long88 but I can't even kill a t29 unless hes awful and lets me shoot him in the butt 15 times with the short88

Shoot the T-29 in both "turret ears" and they are ammo racked.   Then move around if possible and shoot him.

[skorpion]

Shoot the T-29 in both "turret ears" and they are ammo racked.   Then move around if possible and shoot him.

ive gotten a ammo rack detonation near the big ugly lump that sticks out of the back of the turret. normally, if they have at least a 75% load of ammo that spot should detonate. especially if its loaded with HE.