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Offline Sonicblu

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Re: Electric guitar, need help.
« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2011, 07:01:36 PM »
Thanks guys for all the help.

So far Dean usa 74 is in top spot. If I can justify the price to wife. I did find a hardtail on line for little over $1200.( list is $2200 they say but its old stock new ) It is a possibility also.

Then its between the LTD M 300 is in first position. Did some research on the ESP LTD brand and most seems positive.
and the Fender strat

I am going to a large guitar shop in phoenix on tuesday so it might change as I plan to plug every guitar on the wall into an amp.  :banana:

A Gibson les paul or melody maker is on the bucket list for second or third guitar. ( wife said if I learn to Play Canon in D I can buy what I want.  :banana: )
To be fair I have picked up a Gibson and just didnt feel right. Don't know how to really explain it, but have brother inlaw who has one and he also suggested it, or the Fender Strat.

I will do some research on the other guitars mentioned.


Anyone know of guitar shops in the Sandiego area? I will be there end of week.

I just have to get it out of my head of getting a Usa made guitar for around $800.00.

I almost had my mind made up to get a fretlight guitar but is seems cheesy and I have to learn the notes/scales at some point anyway.

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Re: Electric guitar, need help.
« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2011, 09:06:02 PM »
Nobody asked you the most important question so I will.

Do you want tremolo functionality?

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Re: Electric guitar, need help.
« Reply #17 on: August 29, 2011, 09:15:39 PM »
I've been playing for a few years, but definately just as a hobby...  never gonna be great at guitar.

I recently picked up an Epiphone (Gibson's one-off brand).  I got the Epiphone Les Paul Custom w/ mother of pearl and silverburst for $499.00, though it was on sale from $800.00.  Still, the thing is absolutely wonderful.  The action is low and precise, and it sounds good playing anything from Johnny Cash to Slayer, so it's definately versitile.

As somewhat of a cheapwad, and mostly a beginer, that would probably be my best advice...  Go for one of the One-off brands out there and get a decent guitar but cheep.  In many instances, you'll get the same guts and workmanship, it was branded due to a cosmetic flaw.

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Re: Electric guitar, need help.
« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2011, 09:29:32 PM »
Thanks guys for all the help.

So far Dean usa 74 is in top spot. If I can justify the price to wife. I did find a hardtail on line for little over $1200.( list is $2200 they say but its old stock new ) It is a possibility also.


I just have to get it out of my head of getting a Usa made guitar for around $800.00.

Not much more and it is American Made:  http://elderly.com/vintage/names/fender-and-reg%3b-stratocaster-and-reg%3b-%281994%29--30U-16493.htm

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Re: Electric guitar, need help.
« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2011, 09:46:36 PM »
As a beginner get something that is comfortable in your hands, and simple to use. Something like a telecaster had completely different knob and switch placement than a Strat. "Most" guitars are either of the Strat or Les Paul styling in their layout. If you get used to and familiar with a more common style you can usually pick up most any guitar.

I will admit I have difficulty playing most Gibson guitars. I have gotten SO used to the feel of the middle pickup under my strings on my Strat I get all disorientated on a Gibson. Also the feel of the bridge under my pick had is completely different.

Action (the height of the strings) is important. That is something I didn't know about when I learned, and played years and years on a guitar that really high action. Playing a Jackson, Dean, or other quality guitar was like an epiphany. I'd almost recommend learning on a higher action, you will be better off in the long run.
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Re: Electric guitar, need help.
« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2011, 10:44:20 PM »
I had to just google temelo to even know what it was and I still dont know.

Maybe you could explain it? What is it used for. Do beginners need this can I get it later?

Thanks for all the input guys. Ill let you know what I get.

Oh and by the way thanks for the Chavel recommendation. Ed roman has a beautiful tangerine orange usa made one for 1200. Orange is my favorite color. I could almost make a decision on just color  :rofl

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Re: Electric guitar, need help.
« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2011, 10:49:52 PM »
I had to just google temelo to even know what it was and I still dont know.

Maybe you could explain it? What is it used for. Do beginners need this can I get it later?

Thanks for all the input guys. Ill let you know what I get.

Oh and by the way thanks for the Chavel recommendation. Ed roman has a beautiful tangerine orange usa made one for 1200. Orange is my favorite color. I could almost make a decision on just color  :rofl

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Re: Electric guitar, need help.
« Reply #22 on: August 29, 2011, 11:04:04 PM »
I had to just google temelo to even know what it was and I still dont know.

Maybe you could explain it? What is it used for. Do beginners need this can I get it later?

Thanks for all the input guys. Ill let you know what I get.

Oh and by the way thanks for the Chavel recommendation. Ed roman has a beautiful tangerine orange usa made one for 1200. Orange is my favorite color. I could almost make a decision on just color  :rofl

Mash took care of it, but it's your WHAMMY BAR dude!  If you plan on using tremolo in a significant amount, or doing any sort of dive bombs (catching a harmonic for a Dimebag squeal on the way back up of course)...  Floyd Rose double locking is the only way to go.   :rock

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Re: Electric guitar, need help.
« Reply #23 on: August 30, 2011, 01:04:41 AM »
Don't forget that the electronics and the setup on any electric can make it sound good or bad depending.  Obviously the body material and the bridge are fixed--can't change what they do to the tone.  I recently did a full setup check on my Strat, adjusted the pickup heights, and semi-fixed the bridge, and it sounds like a different guitar than it used to.  Strings can also have a huge impact on the tone, depending on gauge.  Last, the thing I had the hardest time understanding at first is that what you hear on recorded music is its sometimes heavily engineered in the studio.  Beyond merely the amp, stereo effects, delay, compression, and how the tone gets mixed all have a very large impact on how you'll perceive the "quality" of the guitar. 

Remember, EVH played a pieced-together Franken-Strat with a couple of pedals and got tone that others are still trying to emulate.  I've formed the opinion over the years that a cheaper guitar with awesome electronics and a good setup can sound just as good as a very expensive "stock" guitar.  Remember that a lot of what you're paying for with LPS, for example, is the labor it takes to make them, and the wicked hot appointments (inlays, etc), rather than what you can make it sound like once you plug it into a Marshall head in a studio.  Another good example is Jack White.  He recorded that first White Stripes album with some plastic-body dime store guitar and I think he still plays it today.
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Re: Electric guitar, need help.
« Reply #24 on: August 30, 2011, 01:35:42 AM »
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Mash took care of it, but it's your WHAMMY BAR dude

Lol When I saw the pic mash posted, I thought I know what a whammy bar is. :rofl

Stoney I know your right I just don't have the experience to know what I want or need if I was going to do any mods. I am going to have to rely on a product that gets me close for my first one, and you guys have helped more than I thought possible on getting me close to a product. Really appreciate it.

Guitars are like women you want to handle them all and there is always a better one. :D


Lol I need a good friend with a bunch of guitars to try.

I borrowed my nieces fender squire for a week, even my wife said ah that doesn't sound as good as the other one.

Still looking.......




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Re: Electric guitar, need help.
« Reply #25 on: August 30, 2011, 09:31:52 AM »
The "whammy bar" is a pretty versitile tool on the guitar.

Alot of guys use it mainly for "dive bombing".

But used as a vibrato it can add a whole new dimension to your playing.

Exhibit A: http://youtu.be/hHHY3eRUMsM

Make sure that whatever guitar you wind up with has a volume knob that cleans up the sound as you turn it down.

I've played several that sound dirty when cranked and as you turn down the volume knob its still dirty, just quieter.

I've found that by using the volume knob ALOT, I can get a variety of different sounds without having to use any pedals. (well, just a crybaby)
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« Reply #26 on: August 30, 2011, 11:47:45 AM »
The tremolo is a double edged sword.

It's a pain in the bellybutton to tune the floating tremolo so I use a ball catch between the springs against the block to give it a place to stop and retain good tune but still have full tremolo action.

Since you are throwing around some pretty high prices, I suggest two guitars.

One high quality guitar with a fixed bridge and maybe a yamaha/ibanez/kramer shred axe for the tremolo duties.

These can be picked up used for 100 bucks often.

You might find you don't like whammy bar equipped guitars.

The other advantage of two guitars is that you can tune them different since an ever larger percentage of songs recently are in lower or alternate tunings.

You don't have to spend a lot of money right out of the chute and money spent on getting a guitar properly set up is worth more than even the most expensive guitar that isn't properly set up.

In preparation for guys starting to throw around names like ibanez, yamaha, fender....etc.

You may find that those guitars all came from the same fujigen factory.

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« Reply #27 on: August 30, 2011, 08:54:34 PM »
He said fujigen. :rofl
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« Reply #28 on: August 30, 2011, 09:06:30 PM »

It's a pain in the bellybutton to tune the floating tremolo so I use a ball catch between the springs against the block to give it a place to stop and retain good tune but still have full tremolo action

It's easy once ya do it a couple of times.

You don't have to spend a lot of money right out of the chute and money spent on getting a guitar properly set up is worth more than even the most expensive guitar that isn't properly set up.

A decent guitar shop will set everything up for less than $50 in most cases.
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Re: Electric guitar, need help.
« Reply #29 on: August 30, 2011, 09:33:35 PM »
The tremolo is a double edged sword.

It's a pain in the bellybutton to tune the floating tremolo so I use a ball catch between the springs against the block to give it a place to stop and retain good tune but still have full tremolo action.

Since you are throwing around some pretty high prices, I suggest two guitars.

One high quality guitar with a fixed bridge and maybe a yamaha/ibanez/kramer shred axe for the tremolo duties.

These can be picked up used for 100 bucks often.

You might find you don't like whammy bar equipped guitars.

The other advantage of two guitars is that you can tune them different since an ever larger percentage of songs recently are in lower or alternate tunings.

You don't have to spend a lot of money right out of the chute and money spent on getting a guitar properly set up is worth more than even the most expensive guitar that isn't properly set up.

In preparation for guys starting to throw around names like ibanez, yamaha, fender....etc.

You may find that those guitars all came from the same fujigen factory.

Fender 6 screw Tremolo bridge - Tighten the screws all the way down, back off the middle four screws 1/4 turn and viola!

If you don't want to do that, Callahan makes a great Tremolo bridge that stays in tune as well.   
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