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Offline icepac

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Re: Electric guitar, need help.
« Reply #30 on: August 31, 2011, 12:21:31 AM »
It's even easier when you've done it hundreds of times in the last 30 years.

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Re: Electric guitar, need help.
« Reply #31 on: August 31, 2011, 01:22:30 AM »
If you got the money, I would recomend a used Gibson Les Paul double cutaway Studio model.

The sound is awesome and VERY versitile, they're light yet rugged and can be had for around $700.00

I've had Fenders (american) Jacksons, a Travis Bean, Yamaha, Charvel etc etc, and my favorite has been and still is my Les Paul DC studio by a long shot.  Plug this thing into a Marshall and it will do about anything you ask of it. With zero pedals.

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/reviews/electric_guitars/gibson/les_paul_dc_studio/index.html

PS. Les Pauls are notorius for holding their value and their value will increase ALOT over time.

Amen on the Marshall and Les Paul. Love 6L6 tube amps!!!!!  Had a Red original Strat and a black Ibanez (good straight sounding nice humbucker) that my brother hocked (the rat)... Ran through a little Markley Presidential 80 watt with reverb and kicker pedals.
The strat was Awesome but the Ibanez made my meager ability sound flawless. The 115 FH cabinets (birch) back up my Tama's with great boost. (You can even fry crickets with the twin Black Widows, 1508's and CH2s, with under 200 watts RMS.).
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Re: Electric guitar, need help.
« Reply #32 on: August 31, 2011, 05:02:54 AM »
Thanks guys for all the help.

So far Dean usa 74 is in top spot. If I can justify the price to wife. I did find a hardtail on line for little over $1200.( list is $2200 they say but its old stock new ) It is a possibility also.

Then its between the LTD M 300 is in first position. Did some research on the ESP LTD brand and most seems positive.
and the Fender strat

I am going to a large guitar shop in phoenix on tuesday so it might change as I plan to plug every guitar on the wall into an amp.  :banana:

A Gibson les paul or melody maker is on the bucket list for second or third guitar. ( wife said if I learn to Play Canon in D I can buy what I want.  :banana: )
To be fair I have picked up a Gibson and just didnt feel right. Don't know how to really explain it, but have brother inlaw who has one and he also suggested it, or the Fender Strat.

I will do some research on the other guitars mentioned.


Anyone know of guitar shops in the Sandiego area? I will be there end of week.

I just have to get it out of my head of getting a Usa made guitar for around $800.00.

I almost had my mind made up to get a fretlight guitar but is seems cheesy and I have to learn the notes/scales at some point anyway.


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EDIT: If the deal is "buy what you want"  then I assume a PRS guitar is not out of the question ?   :devil
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Re: Electric guitar, need help.
« Reply #33 on: August 31, 2011, 07:32:21 AM »
It's even easier when you've done it hundreds of times in the last 30 years.

I merely gave two examples that allow you to have a Synchronized Tremolo and keep tuning.  
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Re: Electric guitar, need help.
« Reply #34 on: August 31, 2011, 08:22:36 AM »
Never seen or heard a "tremolo arm" in use. Mine all have vibratos... <-semantics b*tch  :D

Thx for link to J.Beck, prefer that style over that of Dimebags (RIP).

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« Reply #35 on: August 31, 2011, 02:26:16 PM »
The patent sheets I researched in the early 80s used Tremolo for the name of the device.

Amazingly enough, Tom Scholz was extremely busy during that time period and had more than a few tremolo patents in addition to his electronics patents.


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Re: Electric guitar, need help.
« Reply #36 on: August 31, 2011, 02:52:05 PM »
Amen on the Marshall and Les Paul. Love 6L6 tube amps!!!!!  Had a Red original Strat and a black Ibanez (good straight sounding nice humbucker) that my brother hocked (the rat)... Ran through a little Markley Presidential 80 watt with reverb and kicker pedals.
The strat was Awesome but the Ibanez made my meager ability sound flawless. The 115 FH cabinets (birch) back up my Tama's with great boost. (You can even fry crickets with the twin Black Widows, 1508's and CH2s, with under 200 watts RMS.).
"String along, don't fret it".

I have a Les Paul single cutaway studio and I love it.  Along with my Marshall MG 50FX amp I can pretty much do anything I want.  I have a distortion pedal but I rarely use it.   :rock :rock

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Re: Electric guitar, need help.
« Reply #37 on: September 01, 2011, 12:12:18 AM »
Lol my brother in law just emailed me and said go with fender American or PRS, but I don't know if they make one in orange.  :rofl

I just found a PRS SE Santana in orange, new top spot.

A friend just called me and said hey I hear your looking for a guitar, I have a PRS Santana, check it out. So I ask him is that the $700.00 or the $13,000.00 dollar one. Hey just laughed and said N0 it's the koren made one.

Anyway thanks for all the help guys wish me luck I'm going to a guitar store in Tucson tomorrow. I'm going to play a fender American strat, a Dean, and Prs. Let you know Joe it goes.

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Re: Electric guitar, need help.
« Reply #38 on: September 01, 2011, 06:32:15 AM »
Wish you a good trip, Sonic!

but one thing to keep in mind is-  we all could give you thousands of different recommendations and you could sit down and try out / test play every recommendation, yet not be truly happy with any of them

then you could walk in a pawn shop and grab a $100 to $150 used axe off the wall that has been abused and used..... and then play it and tell yourself "I found the one I want!!!"

so when you go to the guitar store, be sure to play many , not just let it rest on the possibility of 3 brands .......

Look over all the guitars hanging or sitting on stands........ and test each and every one that grabs your eye.... then widdle the list down from there.....

you will know when you have found the guitar you so desire ( since you have already started playing and have a Taylor Acoustic )


it is hard for me to suggest an expensive guitar to someone, who says they are a beginner.....  I am almost positive that you will find that the Dean vs the Fender Strat vs the PRS to be like far left middle far right across the spectrum of style & feel.....

just an example of the way i view it on selecting a guitar:  
I have a 1 of only 100 made Shecter Custom electric guitars that I paid almost $1300 for and might would sell it for  $4k or $5K.......... then I have an Acoustic Guitar that is a Dixon ( a Secondary Brand attempt by Martin back in the 80's ) that I would not take $20K for if you was waving the cash in my face, it sounds and plays that good to me/for me......

again, good luck on the treasure hunt

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 PS: if they have em, try yourself a Jackson, or a Schecter, or an Ibanez .... try guitars that have a Tremolo/Vibrato  and try some with String Through Body &/or Hard Tail Bridges......... try some with Bigsby Vibrato arms.....see & feel the difference ........ try some that are maple fretboards then try some that are rosewood........ I myself prefer Maple for most of my instruments......
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Re: Electric guitar, need help.
« Reply #39 on: September 01, 2011, 08:59:07 AM »
I'd like to point out that selecting a guitar also depends on the music style you are going to play and who you want to sound like (if not yourself).

With moderate or slight drive levels and tube amplifiers the type of guitar plays a huge role in how it sounds like. Eg. two classics 7ender Strato and Gibson Les Paul are very different in how they sound like and that is caused by both wood selections, structure and mic layout and type. Stomp in a huge amount of boost to get a buzzsaw distortion and it only affects slightly to touch which kind of mics and wood your guitar has.

From Strat type guitars I'd like to point out that usually the Strat type of microphones with all single coils does not necessarily produce the best sound heavily overdriven and that is why they usually put a humbucker to bridge position.

One more thing, unless you have an excellent amp it does not really matter how expensive guitar you have as it will sound the same as a cheaper one, so there is no point to buy an expensive guitar if a cheaper one happens to give you the same touch and ease of playing as an expensive one.

Rule of thumb: Go buzzsaw and you can sound awesome with little investment, go vintage and it starts to cost you -first a decent all tube amp and then the guitar.

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Re: Electric guitar, need help.
« Reply #40 on: September 01, 2011, 11:37:34 AM »
If you truly want to harness the full sounds available to the strat, you need one that has the reverse wound/reverse polarized middle pickup and the true 5 position switch.

This allows you to get all the signature sounds the strat is known for and you can pretty good humbucking sounds by engaging the bridge and center pickups together as a humbucking pair.

Of course.....I really like this one.........even if it strays away from it's roots.

Luckily there is some clever switching, wiring, and pickup choice that lets it get close to it's signature sound as well as bring the pain humbucker style.

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Squier-J5-Telecaster-Electric-Guitar-105466809-i1448363.gc?&source=4WFRWXX&CAWELAID=439920886

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This guitar has no tone control which I seem to use more often than I used to.......especially when running high gain.

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Re: Electric guitar, need help.
« Reply #41 on: September 01, 2011, 05:17:55 PM »
I've had GREAT luck with LTD guitars.

Meh, I have two ESP (LTDs are the cheapo versions) and I would recommend an ESP over an LTD any day. I was able to get one used for under $800 about 10 years ago from a pawn shop, who didn't know what they were selling.

Fender 6 screw Tremolo bridge

agreed, I think some of the best sounding guitars have the solid body bridges. On almost all mid-ranged and cheap guitars, the tremolo and floyd rose bridges just equate to the guitar never staying in tune.

Love 6L6 tube amps!!!!!  

really? They always sounded 'crackly' to me, I prefer el34s.
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Re: Electric guitar, need help.
« Reply #42 on: September 01, 2011, 07:20:14 PM »
well better or worse I played a bunch of guitars and I choose the fender american standard.

Salute all thanks for the help and suggestions.

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« Reply #43 on: September 01, 2011, 08:18:23 PM »
Fender Telecaster!  :rock :rock

I picked up an American Special Telecaster for 865.00 and I've been loving it. I can jam to everything from easy listening SRV to metal!  :rock
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Re: Electric guitar, need help.
« Reply #44 on: September 01, 2011, 08:49:58 PM »
Meh, I have two ESP (LTDs are the cheapo versions) and I would recommend an ESP over an LTD any day. I was able to get one used for under $800 about 10 years ago from a pawn shop, who didn't know what they were selling.

You do realize that the guts are almost identical right?  I played a KH-1 ESP the same day I bought my LTD KH-602...  The difference was minimal at best.
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