When Is It Alright to HO?

[mechanic]

When is it alright to HO?

When there is no chance of being shot back.

[dedalos]

When is it alright to HO?

When there is no chance of being shot back.

Thats not a HO then, unless he is out of ammo 

[Wiley]

Why are you even there is the better question.

Simple.  The guy had been tying up the 2 or 3 other guys for the last couple minutes and there's more red inbound.  Sometimes it was squaddies that couldn't put the guy away (Ink flying as Mortis at the time).  It wasn't something I did often.  It wasn't something I looked for.

it can't be cause it is smart game play since you just gave up speed and alt to join;    Why are you there?  What are you trying to accomplish?

I didn't have that much alt, and I tend to fly stuff that zooms well.  I didn't lose much E to do it.

What I was trying to accomplish was to get 3-4 people to stop playing with their food so they could be available to deal with the incoming bandits instead of getting picked off the guy they'd piled up on.

Wiley.

[mechanic]

Thats not a HO then, unless he is out of ammo 

So then you could read my statement as 'it's almost never alright to HO' 

[dedalos]

So then you could read my statement as 'it's almost never alright to HO' 

[captain1ma]

When is it alright to HO?

when dedalos is the other guy! 

 

[dedalos]

when dedalos is the other guy! 

 

I'd put you on the list, but you are already on it   

[mtnman]

Here is the hypocrisy guys.  So far, no one has said anything about the HOs that cause the complains.  Every one that is for HOing is presenting examples that it could be fine by any ones standards. 

HO's are fine by my standards.  I can't think of a time off-hand when I really feel like it matters if my opponent wants to try for an HO.  I honestly expect to be shot at if I allow my opponent to get his guns on me, regardless of where my nose is pointed.  If he gets guns on me, I've screwed up.  If he's got guns on me and my only option is to face him at the same time, I've really screwed up.

Do any of you that think it is always OK mind explaining why would you come in for the HO when someone is already involved in a fight with one or more cons?  Risking a collision and damage in the process and ending someone else fight and stealing his kill? 

I really don't have a problem with someone trying to HO me.  So I guess that means I think it's always ok?  I don't like getting ganged (if for no other reason than it usually means I screwed up).  That said, if I'm getting ganged (3 or more on one) their individual choice of tactics no longer matters to me...

"Thinking it's always ok" doesn't mean "I come in for the HO"; I don't go for it.  I just won't complain if the other guy does (it's not a good enough tactic for my inflated ego, and I stand too great of a chance of being shot if I go for it). I also think it's fine if my opponent wants to fly any plane he chooses (or fly with a wingman, or be in a big squad, or capture a town), and I don't/won't complain about it.

I like to think I'm good enough to withstand whatever my opponent throws at me, even if it's an HO.  I'd feel cheated if my opponent held off on shooting me for a silly reason like where my nose is pointed!

Actually, (if I had to rate it) I think I'd rank an "HO-whiner"  a rung or three lower than an "HO'er" on the great totem pole of life.

And you know that was not the only fight available so lets try some other reason.  So, any aces care to explain how or why is that acceptable and should be practiced at all times or are we going to stick with the sanitized examples of going for the HO?

Sheesh!  Over-generalizing a bit???  "Practice at all times"????  I think an immelmann is a fine move, but I wouldn't think it's want to be utilized at all times.  An HO really isn't any different.

[SEraider]

when dedalos is the other guy! 

 

 

[SEraider]

HO's are fine by my standards.  I can't think of a time off-hand when I really feel like it matters if my opponent wants to try for an HO.  I honestly expect to be shot at if I allow my opponent to get his guns on me, regardless of where my nose is pointed.  If he gets guns on me, I've screwed up.  If he's got guns on me and my only option is to face him at the same time, I've really screwed up.

We had this discussion couple of years ago (been that long?).  It's really an anything goes in the MA.  It's almost pointless to have a 1 v 1 in the MA and expect a clean fight because of the competitive nature of the MA and dweebish nature as well.  I have adopted a semi-ho 1st before I get ho'd because if I don't and show the belly of my plane in a 2nd or 3rd merge, I'll get shot down. 

So now I don't give a rats toe if someone has an issue with it or ho-whine on 200 because I will lay out the facts and laugh at him.  If I try for the clean fight, 3 more dweebs errrrrrrrrr cons will converge and take me out.  Was it worth it? No. 

I feel comfortable with my 1 v1 skills but I need to clean up my hoing ERRRRRRRRRRRRRR semi-hoing technique a bit. 

[W7LPNRICK]

Some call a high 11, 12, or 1 O'clock a HO but that's the best way to kill bombers. 

[hotard]

I have a question about this scenario.  I've occasionally been number 3 or 4 in on a guy in the past who's turning for his life.

In those instances, from the time I committed to engaging the guy until I actually pulled the trigger, he's quite often made 2 or 3 or more turns in that time.  If you're facing him after all those maneuvers, why would you expect that he not shoot you in the face?

Wiley.

If you are the 1 in the 1 v many, you are justified in taking any shot you get, but it would be a shame to out maneuver all those guys just to die or take damage in a HO ( speaking from experience here) avoid the nube and his HO.

On the other hand if you are one of several who has made repeated runs on this guy and all you get is his nose, then, my friend you are being out flown handily.

[dedalos]

Sheesh!  Over-generalizing a bit???  "Practice at all times"????  I think an immelmann is a fine move, but I wouldn't think it's want to be utilized at all times.  An HO really isn't any different.

OK, if I take the all times out will you answer that question then?  Long post but I did not see an answer to the question does cause the fights and the complaining.  We agree on the rest.  If you have a chance to HO me in anything less than 3 vs 1, I made a mistake but that is not the scenario I described.

[captain1ma]

ho's are good for people that dont have enough skill or acm, to fight their opponent in a decent fight. they would much rather end it there and get a new plane, rather then learn something.  i like to duck under the HO, come back and waste them from a 6 position and show them how a HO is not acm. sometimes i just stay on their 6 long enough to watch them auger because they are running from me and not paying attention as opposed to shooting them down. its much more entertaining! 

[Wiley]

If you are the 1 in the 1 v many, you are justified in taking any shot you get, but it would be a shame to out maneuver all those guys just to die or take damage in a HO ( speaking from experience here) avoid the nube and his HO.

Certainly it's not a risk-free endeavour, but when I'm the 1 and the guy is pulling G's as opposed to having set it up from a ways out, I'll risk it sometimes.

On the other hand if you are one of several who has made repeated runs on this guy and all you get is his nose, then, my friend you are being out flown handily.

Never said that wasn't the case.  Doesn't mean we don't want him down.

Wiley.