P-70 night fighter

[Karnak]

I would argue for the P-61 as well, considering its significance as one of the first fighters designed specifically for carrying airborne radar (most of its predecessors were modified daytime aircraft) and seeing action in all theaters of the conflict.

Sure, eventually, after the ones that actually did the fighting were added.

I'd also note that the P-61 may have been the first designed night fighter, but it still wasn't the best night fighter of WWII.  It was very good, just too slow.  In AH it would mostly be used as a ground attack aircraft.

[lyric1]

Sure, eventually, after the ones that actually did the fighting were added.

I'd also note that the P-61 may have been the first designed night fighter, but it still wasn't the best night fighter of WWII.  It was very good, just too slow.  In AH it would mostly be used as a ground attack aircraft.

Slow? not so sure about that but it could turn.

[Karnak]

Slow? not so sure about that but it could turn.

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360mph is slow by that time of the war.  That is 60-70mph slower than the contemporary Mosquito night fighter.

Yes, it could turn, but night fighting isn't about turning.

[mthrockmor]

That article settled it for me, eventually we need the P-61. The other planes to include the P-70, Stuka ground attack, etc should be pretty easy to come up with. We already have the base plane made, we are talking about adding a few twists and likely some perfomance changes. This should be relative easy computer programming modifications. I've long accepted that the P-61 is down the list of new planes but these others...

Boo

[Ack-Ack]

The game definitely doesn't need a P-70, why would you want to add a plane that was basically a failure and only good as a training aircraft?  Silly me...it's not the P-70 you really wish for, it's the 20mm cannons you want on the A-20G.


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[lyric1]

360mph is slow by that time of the war.  That is 60-70mph slower than the contemporary Mosquito night fighter.

Yes, it could turn, but night fighting isn't about turning.

True It just seemed that 548th boys seemed to know that the P61 on the deck versus the P47n might have had them beat.

I guess they did not bother to find out after the Jug lost the first two parts of the wager.

[cobia38]

The game definitely doesn't need a P-70, why would you want to add a plane that was basically a failure and only good as a training aircraft?  Silly me...it's not the P-70 you really wish for, it's the 20mm cannons you want on the A-20G.


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  please forgive  the mortals akak,  the "we want quad 20mm" was tryed many times and shot down due to lack of intrest.
 perhaps the p-70 idea was a glimmer of hope for getting the cannons,ya never know.

[Karnak]

  please forgive  the mortals akak,  the "we want quad 20mm" was tryed many times and shot down due to lack of intrest.
 perhaps the p-70 idea was a glimmer of hope for getting the cannons,ya never know.

A glimmer of deceit I'd say.

As I said earlier, if the quad cannons are the most important thing to you there is a bevy of choices in AH already.  For a few perk points it can even be American if you like.  If flying the A-20 is the most important thing to you, well, suck it up and fly the A-20, not some rare fantasy version of it.

[Krusty]

If flying the A-20 is the most important thing to you, well, suck it up and fly the A-20, not some rare fantasy version of it.

Well said. It's been said before. It will no doubt be said again. I'm in agreement here.

[cobia38]

A glimmer of deceit I'd say.

As I said earlier, if the quad cannons are the most important thing to you there is a bevy of choices in AH already.  For a few perk points it can even be American if you like.  If flying the A-20 is the most important thing to you, well, suck it up and fly the A-20, not some rare fantasy version of it.

  ouch.... you have put me in my place sir    i will for now, from this day forward, fly nothing but the all mighty mossy in your honor     


  maybe some day, someone will come along and make a game that we can play, that lets us choose how we fly and what we do with our cartoon planes.
 

[Karnak]

cobia38,

The question is, do you or do you not like the A-20G.

Based on these threads I'd have to say you would answer "yes" but mean "no, but I would if it had four 20mm cannons."

If you like the A-20G, fly it, enjoy it for being an A-20G and don't waste time wishing it were something it is not.

[Krusty]

I have to agree Cobia. Either you're flying the A-20G because of a deep rooted love of the plane itself (quite common in Aces High) or you are simply flying it as a means to an end. Whatever that means is, be it a specific performance level in a specific category, or the ability to sucker people in, whatever.

If you want 4x20mm as a means to an end, they already exist on other rides. Find out what else serves as your means to the end.

If you just love the A-20G, then you won't need 4x20mm on it because they don't belong anymore than 17,000lb bombloads belong on the B-17G, or Grand Slams belong on the Lancaster.

[cobia38]

   lol   karnak,   i love many WW2 planes,A-20 is just one  

  point of the matter is, x amount of quad 20 units came off the assembly line, so at some point in time there is no reason they cant be added

    ohhhh and BTW  i just like to pull your chain about the mossy    

[cobia38]

I have to agree Cobia. Either you're flying the A-20G because of a deep rooted love of the plane itself (quite common in Aces High) or you are simply flying it as a means to an end. Whatever that means is, be it a specific performance level in a specific category, or the ability to sucker people in, whatever.

If you want 4x20mm as a means to an end, they already exist on other rides. Find out what else serves as your means to the end.

If you just love the A-20G, then you won't need 4x20mm on it because they don't belong anymore than 17,000lb bombloads belong on the B-17G, or Grand Slams belong on the Lancaster.

  want and need are 2 different things, i dont NEED them.  but and option would be nice, even if it was perked.
   we have alot of other cannon rides that we dont need if you want to think along your line of thought.  C hog is one that comes to mind, in fact more A-20s came with 20mm then C hogs did.
 

[Ack-Ack]

If you just love the A-20G, then you won't need 4x20mm on it because they don't belong anymore than 17,000lb bombloads belong on the B-17G, or Grand Slams belong on the Lancaster.

That's not entirely true, remember that the Soviets did receive and use in squadron strength the 20mm A-20G (200+ planes) in the ground attack role.  It does have a place but not as a separate model but rather as an eventual perked ordnance package.

I'm not saying it's cobia's wish, I know his story about his being dropped on his head and when he came to, he had some bizarre fetish with the A-20G, just like my obsession with the P-38.  I know he wants the 20mm package because the A-20G did have it and he would like to have the Havoc's line fleshed out, like how I would like to see the P-38 line fleshed out.  However, the others that have wished for the 20mm guns are doing so because 1) it's cannons and it has 4 of them and 2) are under the false impression that the flying characteristics would be just like they were flying the .50 cal nose package and not realizing how sluggish it would be maneuvers, especially in the vertical.

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