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Re: Plane's Trademark
« Reply #30 on: September 04, 2011, 10:49:44 PM »
titanic3,

What set us off on you was you claiming that something only detectable when you mishandle the plane in a very specific way and a specific, one time per flight, circumstance was its "trademark" in AH.

Land however the heck you want and at whatever speed you want.
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Re: Plane's Trademark
« Reply #31 on: September 05, 2011, 12:33:28 AM »
Back in the day, they used to say "Any landing you can walk away from is a good landing".  You are are absolutely correct. You can land any plane in the game any way you want to.  After all, it is your $14.95, and you can use it anyway you like.  It's ill advised to blame the broken pieces on the plane when it is actually the technique you choose to use. 



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Re: Plane's Trademark
« Reply #32 on: September 05, 2011, 08:16:09 AM »
Landing IS part of the game. I can say I've NEVER broken a tail wheel off a KI in all the time we've had it it in the game. Didn't even know it was possible. SO I wouldn't call it a "trait".

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Re: Plane's Trademark
« Reply #33 on: September 05, 2011, 08:59:54 AM »
Let me try another approach. Titanic, landing can be fun and improve your handling of the aircraft at the edge of its envelope. Try for a perfect 3 point landing flying as slowly as possible. Carrier operations are no problem for the Ki-84 and similarly fun to practice and you can improve your skill at the same time.

Tyrannis, you only lose parts from Aces High's Ki-84 at about 450 mph. You can actually exceed this speed and keep all of your surfaces if you are careful.



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Re: Plane's Trademark
« Reply #34 on: September 06, 2011, 12:30:43 PM »
Ju87s are the best of the breed at what they where designed for and can do their job better than any other dive bomber currently in the game when.....















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They have air superiority or close fighter escort
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Re: Plane's Trademark
« Reply #35 on: September 06, 2011, 12:38:53 PM »
I don't think it can be its trademark if I have flown it for years and never noticed it.

Ki-84 trademarks in AH:

Potent vertical maneuvers.
Superflaps at low speeds.
Fast firing cannons.
Short duration WEP with fast recharge.
Control surfaces that are vulnerable to destruction by overspeeding.
Crippled maneuverability when using Combat Trim.


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I fly the Ki84 a lot.  I can't remember the last time I ripped control surfaces off or damaged my tail wheel on landing.  In my opinion, if either happens to you on a regular basis, the weakest part of the Ki84 in your particular case is the pilot. 

Folks who like to play the Pony/190 pick and run from a 10k alt advantage game, will find themselves struggling when using the Ki84 in the same manner.

Fly the plane to its strengths, not the strengths of whatever other late war monsters you normally pick and run in...

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Re: Plane's Trademark
« Reply #36 on: September 06, 2011, 03:12:51 PM »



I fly the Ki84 a lot.  I can't remember the last time I ripped control surfaces off or damaged my tail wheel on landing.  In my opinion, if either happens to you on a regular basis, the weakest part of the Ki84 in your particular case is the pilot. 


Dave, I already know you have a grudge against me, so I'm not gonna bother. But for you and anyone else to think that I'm a "bad" pilot because of the way I land is retarded. I would bet that you have your own "way" of doing something. Say for example, speeds at which you climb, or whether or not you prefer auto takeoff, or if you prefer different convergence settings. Does doing any of that make you a bad pilot? No, heck no, that's your own unique flying styles. And for you or anyone else to call me out on being a bad pilot because of how I land is again, retarded.

Me landing 50mph faster doesn't instantly turn me into a HOing, picking dweeb.

"Folks who like to play the Pony/190 pick and run from a 10k alt advantage game, will find themselves struggling when using the Ki84 in the same manner." - So if I choose to land a certain way, it turns me into a Pony/190 picker and runner? I fly the Ki84 VASTLY different from the 190 (I don't fly P51s), what makes you think I fly it the same way? Or anyone else for that matter? I fly planes according to their strengths, not according to how I fly my favorite ride. You're not going to see me turnfight in a 190 and you're not going to see me dive from 10k with full throttle in a Ki84. 

The reason I stated this in my original post was because compared to other aircraft, in which I land the same way, the Ki84's seems to be the easiest to break. Does it mean it breaks easily at lower speed? No. Does it mean it breaks easily at higher speeds? Yes, compared to OTHER planes, yes.

As for your last statement on "Fly the plane to its strengths, not the strengths of whatever other late war monsters you normally pick and run in." - If I decide to fly a P40B in an arena that has La7s, 109K4s, P51Ds, and Spit16s, does that mean I have to fight them on THEIR terms? No, because you might as well go ahead and fly your plane into the ground. No matter how good of a pilot you are, I believe in no way could an early war plane beat those late war monsters without "picking". You can't run/chase because...well, look at your top speed. P40Bs can't turn with neither of those planes, and if it somehow does, they're all going to extend out and come back in at a better angle. Can a 2 weeker die to a 10 year veteran while flying these late war monsters against a P40B? Yes. But I'm pretty sure the 2 weekers are smart enough to know how to run. And then, there is no way the 10 year vet in his P40B can ever catch them. So as a result, the P40B flier, regardless of skill, must always come in with an advantage, whether it be altitude or additional friendlies. It then results in the guy who got shot down to call the P40B a "picker".


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Re: Plane's Trademark
« Reply #37 on: September 06, 2011, 03:50:54 PM »
Dave, I already know you have a grudge against me, so I'm not gonna bother. But for you and anyone else to think that I'm a "bad" pilot because of the way I land is retarded. I would bet that you have your own "way" of doing something. Say for example, speeds at which you climb, or whether or not you prefer auto takeoff, or if you prefer different convergence settings. Does doing any of that make you a bad pilot? No, heck no, that's your own unique flying styles. And for you or anyone else to call me out on being a bad pilot because of how I land is again, retarded.

Me landing 50mph faster doesn't instantly turn me into a HOing, picking dweeb.

"Folks who like to play the Pony/190 pick and run from a 10k alt advantage game, will find themselves struggling when using the Ki84 in the same manner." - So if I choose to land a certain way, it turns me into a Pony/190 picker and runner? I fly the Ki84 VASTLY different from the 190 (I don't fly P51s), what makes you think I fly it the same way? Or anyone else for that matter? I fly planes according to their strengths, not according to how I fly my favorite ride. You're not going to see me turnfight in a 190 and you're not going to see me dive from 10k with full throttle in a Ki84. 

The reason I stated this in my original post was because compared to other aircraft, in which I land the same way, the Ki84's seems to be the easiest to break. Does it mean it breaks easily at lower speed? No. Does it mean it breaks easily at higher speeds? Yes, compared to OTHER planes, yes.

As for your last statement on "Fly the plane to its strengths, not the strengths of whatever other late war monsters you normally pick and run in." - If I decide to fly a P40B in an arena that has La7s, 109K4s, P51Ds, and Spit16s, does that mean I have to fight them on THEIR terms? No, because you might as well go ahead and fly your plane into the ground. No matter how good of a pilot you are, I believe in no way could an early war plane beat those late war monsters without "picking". You can't run/chase because...well, look at your top speed. P40Bs can't turn with neither of those planes, and if it somehow does, they're all going to extend out and come back in at a better angle. Can a 2 weeker die to a 10 year veteran while flying these late war monsters against a P40B? Yes. But I'm pretty sure the 2 weekers are smart enough to know how to run. And then, there is no way the 10 year vet in his P40B can ever catch them. So as a result, the P40B flier, regardless of skill, must always come in with an advantage, whether it be altitude or additional friendlies. It then results in the guy who got shot down to call the P40B a "picker".



Lighten up.  My post wasn't directed specifically toward you.  If it had been, I would have quoted something you had said.  I was speaking more generally about folks who don't know how to fly the Ki84 and try to fly it the same way they fly P51s and 190s.

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Re: Plane's Trademark
« Reply #38 on: September 07, 2011, 09:11:00 PM »
I think he meant more like this...

LA7s and 109s can  tailslide pretty easily
me262 will easily perform a backflip and end up falling backwards it you get to slow at the top of a loop
the Tempest and the typhoon both have a tendency to pull themselves "up" when diving fast

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Re: Plane's Trademark
« Reply #39 on: September 08, 2011, 02:58:46 AM »
A typhoons tank is measured in cups, not gallons :D
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Re: Plane's Trademark
« Reply #40 on: September 08, 2011, 03:34:20 PM »
The Ta-152 stalls really easily.

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Re: Plane's Trademark
« Reply #41 on: September 08, 2011, 03:35:44 PM »
Ta-152 stalls pretty easily.

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Re: Plane's Trademark
« Reply #42 on: September 11, 2011, 09:48:58 AM »
P47 can outdive ALOT of planes.
P47 was one of the toughest fighters of WW2 if not the toughest
the B29 hardly hit anything at its normal 25k+ alts but then ruined japan at 20k
the typhoon had a very weak rudder made out of canvas that would tear and stop working at high speeds early on.
the spit1/hurri1 engine cut out due to its carborated engine while pushing negative G's
and finally the P38 was the plane that shot down a japanese admirals betty. (forgot his name)
 
yeah its not the carborated engine that dose becasue most place do have a carb...
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Re: Plane's Trademark
« Reply #43 on: September 11, 2011, 10:17:10 AM »
yeah its not the carborated engine that dose becasue most place do have a carb...
you do realize that the spit1/hurri1 are the only planes with a carbourator. might wanna check those facts again.

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Re: Plane's Trademark
« Reply #44 on: September 11, 2011, 11:52:37 AM »
I believe all of the Merlin engines used Carburettors. The earlier ones suffered from fuel starvation in negative G. Might be interesting to read about a lady called Tilly Shilling.
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