The first thing out is the winchester PDX1 3 inch, it has 4 discs and 16 BB's, after that is a Hornady 255 gr. hollow point. I alternate those, and if that doesn't take what ever I am shooting at down then I can beat them with the heavy bastard. I like the 1911 also but I prefer wheel guns. My wife doesn't like autos at all, and since we both have our carry, I wanted to get something that she was comfortable shooting. The public defender is a great looking pistol, when I got my Judge, they had not come out with it, how is the kick on it? Mine is not really that bad, if you are shooting the Winchester cowboy plinking loads it kicks about like a .22 Mag single 6, but when you start loading some big loads it climbs pretty good, but is atoll easily controllable. But jeeesssuuusss it is expensive to target shoot with, I am fixing to get into reloading, anybody got any suggestions?