JS2 Tank - Russian, designed to fight the Tiger

[sethrocon]

I saw an episode on greatest tank battles. This tank was designed and put in place late in the war. The russians used it to help push the Germans back, had a huge gun on it. What do you thinké

[DarkHawk]

How about some more information, armament, gun size, speed, etc

[skorpion]

id rather have a StuG III Ausf G. or a M26 Pershing...

but until i see some info, then im not taking either side of this.

[SmokinLoon]

Nah.  No where near the impact as the Su-100 or KV-1.  I'll have to dig into my sources, but iirc the JS-2 tank had a rate of fire that would make the King Tiger feel like Speedy Gonzolas.  The JS-2 tank's 122mm had 2 piece ammunition, the projectile and the propellant were loaded separately by the same crew member.  I think there was a max rate of fire of 2-3 rounds a minute (20-30 seconds to reload the main gun!!!).  The 122 main gun could penetrate 115mm of armor at 1000, which was almost identical to the Panther's 75mm and Tiger's 88mm, but still inferior to the King Tiger's 88mm cannon's 165mm AP ability.  The JS-2 has 120mm of sloped armor on the front, so it was well protected but it was not immune to late war German tank fire. A powerful tank in its own right, but if HTC decides to add another Soviet tank any time soon I think they should add the Su-100.  It saw far more action and was far more prevalent on the Ost Front compared to the IS-2.  

My 2 cents.  

EDIT: I looked up some tid-bits on the JS-2: best speed was 23mph; max ammo load for the main gun was 28 rounds (yes, 28 rounds); its HE round was considered its main asset.   

[wil3ur]

I'd love to see the Stug at the spawn just to hear all the campers yell, "SHUT YOUR ENGINE DOWN!!!"  Plus, it doesn't sound like it can rotate in place, but has to reverse and pull forward to adjust angle for firing...  sounds dangerous.

[skorpion]

I'd love to see the Stug at the spawn just to hear all the campers yell, "SHUT YOUR ENGINE DOWN!!!"  Plus, it doesn't sound like it can rotate in place, but has to reverse and pull forward to adjust angle for firing...  sounds dangerous.

the stug III ausf g. could pivot in place from what i know

[AWwrgwy]

the stug III ausf g. could pivot in place from what i know

It's built on the PzkwIV chassis, which cannot pivot, isn't it?



wrongway

[skorpion]

It's built on the PzkwIV chassis, which cannot pivot, isn't it?



wrongway

yes the StuG III was built on a Pz4 chassis but there were over 350 known StuG's that were modified to pivot in place after the battle at kursk. (i think it was the battle of kursk, it may have been an earlier battle but im not sure)

[Butcher]

I saw an episode on greatest tank battles. This tank was designed and put in place late in the war. The russians used it to help push the Germans back, had a huge gun on it. What do you thinké

Problem with "WishLists" as you need to provide some research to your credit. I cannot find any information on how many Armored Divisions/Brigades or Battalions fought on the Russian side during the war (armed with the IS-2).

I do have a few sources I can read up on and get back to you, however I can probably say its going to not happen (for the IS-2 joining Aces High) same Reason for the M-26 Pershing. Both tanks were in fact designed during World War 2, however they seen extremely limited combat action vs many other weapons that were designed during the war.

If you can provide some resource information with proof of how many IS-2's were in combat, how many were produced, how many Battalions they were filled in, I am sure it will be taken in consideration to be added.

I'm sorry I cannot find enough information placing them in strictly combat scenarios during the war, other then spotted.

[Karnak]

I don't have the numbers with me, but I am pretty sure the IS-2 saw a few magnitudes more combat in WWII than did the M-26.

There is a chance I am conflating some of the IS-2's combat with later KV tanks though.

[SmokinLoon]

To put it bluntly, the JS-2 would have armor similar to the Tiger I, a gun similar to the Panther's 75mm or Firefly's 17 Pdr in AP ability, FAR less ammo available (only 28 rounds!!!), and worst of all a reload of about 20 seconds (if HTC sticks by its current "standard" of applying -best known reload- to main guns of tanks). Just who in their right minds would being a tank that has a reload time of 20 seconds and carry only 28 rounds to the camp fests in AH???  No one. It would be see even LESS action that the King Tiger.

There are a great many tanks that saw a great deal more action that should be added to AH.  If adding a Soviet tank is the goal the Su-100 TD would be best, imo. 



      
 

[LLv34_Snefens]

A powerful tank in its own right, but if HTC decides to add another Soviet tank any time soon I think they should add the Su-100.  It saw far more action and was far more prevalent on the Ost Front compared to the IS-2. 

Sources? If going by service entry and total production during the war the IS-2 was more common. 2,210 IS-2 in 1944 alone (and 35 in 1943) compared to the 500 SU-100. In 1945 they both reached a production of just over 1,000 before war ended.

[SmokinLoon]

My bad, after diving in to some printed sources I had the numbers of the SU-122 and JS-3 in my head. 

Even so, the J2-2 would have a hard time in AH with such a slow reload and a main gun that is on par with the Panther, Tiger I, and Firefly.  I think it would be a step lower than the Tiger I in terms of survivability.  Who knows, I think HTC is not going to add it anytime soon.    Su-100 though... I think there is a bigger chance.  My 2 cents.             

[Butcher]

Sources? If going by service entry and total production during the war the IS-2 was more common. 2,210 IS-2 in 1944 alone (and 35 in 1943) compared to the 500 SU-100. In 1945 they both reached a production of just over 1,000 before war ended.

where are you getting this info?

[LLv34_Snefens]

where are you getting this info?

http://www.armchairgeneral.com/rkkaww2/weapons/afv_production.htm#IS

Source given at the bottom.