corner airspeed list for all aircraft

[Butcher]

wondering if anyone has a list of the corner airspeeds for all aircrafts?

[FLS]

Corner speed is only accurate for a given altitude and weight. If you multiply the stall speed at a given altitude and weight by 2.4 you will get a "close enough" approximation of corner speed.

[Butcher]

Corner speed is only accurate for a given altitude and weight. If you multiply the stall speed at a given altitude and weight by 2.4 you will get a "close enough" approximation of corner speed.

My Math is fuzzy, 2+2=5

[The Fugitive]

My Math is fuzzy, 2+2=5

what he is saying, is now he would like a stall speed list of all aircraft.

[Butcher]

what he is saying, is now he would like a stall speed list of all aircraft.

That would help, now question - If you multiply the stall speed at a given altitude and weight by 2.4

Can this be re-explained - Stall speed times weight is a tab off:)

[FLS]

After you look up the stall speed on Wiki multiply it by 2.4 using the calculator function on your computer. 

For example if the stall speed is 100 the corner speed is close to 240. Since corner speed won't do anything for you by itself,  you have to pull 6 Gs and also maneuver in relation to the bandit and you can't stay at corner speed unless you're descending, you don't have to worry about getting it exactly right.

[Butcher]

After you look up the stall speed on Wiki multiply it by 2.4 using the calculator function on your computer. 

For example if the stall speed is 100 the corner speed is close to 240. Since corner speed won't do anything for you by itself,  you have to pull 6 Gs and also maneuver in relation to the bandit and you can't stay at corner speed unless you're descending, you don't have to worry about getting it exactly right.

Oh ok where does the weight factor come in? this is what got me confused, and thanks for letting me know about the wiki - ill log it all down

[PFactorDave]

Oh ok where does the weight factor come in?

A planes stall speed changes as altitude and weight change.

[Rolex]

Corner speed would be the lowest speed that a plane can still pull 6 g's, since that is the limit of our virtual pilots. It's derived by taking the square root of that 6 (g's) times the clean stall speed of a plane. As others have said, stall speed is not a constant, but variable for a given condition, so corner speed varies also.

If you want to know the approximate corning speed of a plane you're in, perform a simple clean stall after take off and do as FLS said. A clean stall is engine on, throttle at idle, flaps up, gear up, hold the nose level until the stall break and note the airspeed. Multiply that speed by 2.4.

Corner speed is the best instantaneous turning speed, but it degrades in an instant ( ) and is only the best if you hit 6 g's (a small tunnel of pilot blackout) for that instant.

This info is for others reading the thread who may not know the terminology.

[FLS]

Thanks for clarifying that Rolex and thanks again for the corner speed shortcut, I got that from you. 

[Gooss]

You don't say to what purpose you want the information.  I'm assuming you want to fly the plane you're in at corner speed, sometimes.

HiTech said something like you're at corner speed when your stall buzzer is blaring and you're in a blackout tunnel.  In the heat of the fight, I can't look at speed or G's.  I can hear the stall buzzer and see the blackout tunnel.  If I see a blackout tunnel, but hear no stall buzzer, I'm too fast for corner speed and bring my nose up.  And vice versa.  If I hear the stall buzzer and see no tunnel, I lower my nose for speed.

I haven't mastered the stay fast and win fight.  But this has gotten me out of trouble and back on the offensive.  Sometimes.  I suspect that the pony driver who can outturn my hog in a fast fight is better at approximating corner speed than I.

Practice offline then have fun.

HONK!
Gooss

[Butcher]

You don't say to what purpose you want the information.  I'm assuming you want to fly the plane you're in at corner speed, sometimes.

HiTech said something like you're at corner speed when your stall buzzer is blaring and you're in a blackout tunnel.  In the heat of the fight, I can't look at speed or G's.  I can hear the stall buzzer and see the blackout tunnel.  If I see a blackout tunnel, but hear no stall buzzer, I'm too fast for corner speed and bring my nose up.  And vice versa.  If I hear the stall buzzer and see no tunnel, I lower my nose for speed.

I haven't mastered the stay fast and win fight.  But this has gotten me out of trouble and back on the offensive.  Sometimes.  I suspect that the pony driver who can outturn my hog in a fast fight is better at approximating corner speed than I.

Practice offline then have fun.

HONK!
Gooss

In a defensive situation, Bandit that is 1k or more from you and behind - a simple break and keeping the cockpit aimed at his nose causes an overshoot in every situation except a few planes that can handle the high speed turn, thus done at corner speed pulling 6G's easily forces the bandit to do a few things, either blow E trying to stay with me in the turn trying to pull Lead Shot, or goes Vertical right away which gives me an escape window to either run or split S and await for him to dive to pull nose on.

[BravoT]

A planes stall speed changes as altitude and weight change.

Stall speed doesn't change with altitude.  An aircraft that stalls at 100 knots indicated at 5 feet will stall at 100 knots indicated at 50,000 feet.

[TequilaChaser]

Stall speed doesn't change with altitude.  An aircraft that stalls at 100 knots indicated at 5 feet will stall at 100 knots indicated at 50,000 feet.

just about ever single piece of plane performance data / test data etc........ that you will lay eyes on will be showing TAS ( True Air Speed )

that is how they measured in Real Life and that is how we measure plane performance here in Aces High, we do not use IAS ( Indicated Air Speed ) for plane test data


We do use IAS ( some of us anyway ) when discussing manuevering and training others, etc.....  but we also rely on TAS when discussing plane performance and EM charts ( Energy Management diagrams )

yes, stall speed does change with altitude


hope this helps

TC

[BravoT]

just about ever single piece of plane performance data / test data etc........ that you will lay eyes on will be showing TAS ( True Air Speed )

that is how they measured in Real Life and that is how we measure plane performance here in Aces High, we do not use IAS ( Indicated Air Speed ) for plane test data


We do use IAS ( some of us anyway ) when discussing manuevering and training others, etc.....  but we also rely on TAS when discussing plane performance and EM charts ( Energy Management diagrams )

yes, stall speed does change with altitude


hope this helps

TC

I can't speak to what is used in or modelled in AH, but in the real world the only stall speed that a pilot worries about is IAS.  The IAS stall speed does not change with altitude.

The TAS airspeed increase with altitude, but airspeed indicators in the real world don't display TAS in any manner that is useful to a pilot to figure out if he is approaching stall speed.  The reason is quite simple - TAS is a function of air density.  A pilot would need to constantly recalculate his TAS (and in WWII the only way to do that would be by way of an E6B) in order to figure out whether he's about to fall out of the sky, whereas IAS stall speed is the same regardless of the surrounding environment.

I appreciate that AH is not the real world, but to say that stall speed increases with altitude is simply not correct unless you specify TAS.  And while performance charts do indeed specify TAS, POH specify IAS when it comes to stall speeds.