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Offline dedalos

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Re: Want to learn Coding
« Reply #45 on: September 15, 2011, 03:53:37 PM »
This is a bulletin board ya know. Not an application to micrapsoft. You can dumb it down for us southern folk.

I hope this helps bud.  Here is what he said:


Computer codin' in today's cornstruck attempps t'emulate life in refleckshun...it attempps t'refleck reality in an Objeck Oriented cornstruck...an' is hemmed in an' by th' stan'ards adopped by th' coders an' architecks who haf their finger in th' direckshun of thet particular language.

It is impostible t'address o' answer yer quesshun unless o' until yo' define yer objeckives an' th' language yo' wish t'accomplish them in, as enny fool kin plainly see.

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Re: Want to learn Coding
« Reply #46 on: September 15, 2011, 04:01:56 PM »
Telling a new guy to go install Linux, learn vi and use a command line compiler (should he rebuild the kernel a few times while at it?) is just ridiculous.  Where is he going to install it?  Have you ever made the mistake to try and install Linux on a laptop that came with windows on?  :lol  In my experience (and it is big) when questions like the OPs are answered with "install linux cause it is the best" the people are either clueless or just bragging about their mad command line Linux skillz.  A lot of times it is both.
someone knows less about linux than they do windows. obviously hasn't heard the latest news about linux, there are actually 2 very good gui interfaces, gnome and kde. no one uses vi or vim for anything more than scripting, especially beginners. when you get to the point where you are comfortable with command line, the switch over is very easy.

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Re: Want to learn Coding
« Reply #47 on: September 15, 2011, 04:17:33 PM »
. no one uses vi or vim for anything more than scripting

CC, I ll tell that to our guys here.  They will appreciate the information.

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point and click programming isn't programming, no matter how you try to twist it.

Another example of my programming is better than yours attitude and bragging.  I ll will inform our GUI guys that just because their screens have buttons, they are not real programmers.   

You sir just saved me a tone of money.  It would appear that non of my guys is a real developer and therefore, I should not be paying anyone as a programmer.   :aok
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Re: Want to learn Coding
« Reply #48 on: September 15, 2011, 04:23:04 PM »
Well, are you posting from Linux?  Running AH on Linux?  As I said, it has its uses (mainly in real time systems) but to say you can do more on a linux box than you can do an a windows is just funny.  In either case, the thread is about writing code and that should be irrelevant to operating systems.  What is relevant, is taking everything else out of the equation to make it easier for someone new to focus on the programming task only.  So doing it in windows, a system that he is already familiar with, using tools with a familiar look and feel has to be the easiest way, no?

Telling a new guy to go install Linux, learn vi and use a command line compiler (should he rebuild the kernel a few times while at it?) is just ridiculous.  Where is he going to install it?  Have you ever made the mistake to try and install Linux on a laptop that came with windows on?  :lol  In my experience (and it is big) when questions like the OPs are answered with "install linux cause it is the best" the people are either clueless or just bragging about their mad command line Linux skillz.  A lot of times it is both.

I remember the time when programing was all about problem solving.
If you could accomplish something with shell script you did just that. If you needed C, so it was. 
If your solution was for specific platform, you worked on the very same.
Only sales people of large IT companies were arguing which hardware/OS/system was better.

But anyway, the higher level language you start with, the better. Which in many cases is simply pseudo code.


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Re: Want to learn Coding
« Reply #49 on: September 15, 2011, 04:24:11 PM »
I hope this helps bud.  Here is what he said:


Computer codin' in today's cornstruck attempps t'emulate life in refleckshun...it attempps t'refleck reality in an Objeck Oriented cornstruck...an' is hemmed in an' by th' stan'ards adopped by th' coders an' architecks who haf their finger in th' direckshun of thet particular language.

It is impostible t'address o' answer yer quesshun unless o' until yo' define yer objeckives an' th' language yo' wish t'accomplish them in, as enny fool kin plainly see.

Onooay


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Re: Want to learn Coding
« Reply #50 on: September 15, 2011, 07:02:35 PM »
CC, I ll tell that to our guys here.  They will appreciate the information.

Another example of my programming is better than yours attitude and bragging.  I ll will inform our GUI guys that just because their screens have buttons, they are not real programmers.   

You sir just saved me a tone of money.  It would appear that non of my guys is a real developer and therefore, I should not be paying anyone as a programmer.   :aok
actually you should give them a raise, especially if they have you convinced vi and vim are programming languages, they are obviously more intelligent than you are and you should do everything you can to keep them.

vim5 can be used in conjunction with a compiler to build code for a program but it is not a programming language like cobol, fortran, c, basic, java, python or even perl...just in case the difference was unclear.
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Re: Want to learn Coding
« Reply #51 on: September 15, 2011, 07:24:34 PM »
I remember the time when programing was all about problem solving.
If you could accomplish something with shell script you did just that. If you needed C, so it was.  
If your solution was for specific platform, you worked on the very same.
Only sales people of large IT companies were arguing which hardware/OS/system was better.

But anyway, the higher level language you start with, the better. Which in many cases is simply pseudo code.

The solution to the unfolding argument may be np-hard.... I'm gonna grab some popcorn, want some?

learn x86 ASM first, then you will know how it is really working  :devil


In reality, I first learned using gw-basic and from there I figured out how to write in x86 ASM and make functions that could be called from gw-basic. Then, once I had obtained a copy of BCC (remember that borland compiler?) I learned C & subsequently C++. Back-assward I know, but it worked and was a reaction to the problems I wanted to solve and the tools I had available at the time.


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Re: Want to learn Coding
« Reply #52 on: September 15, 2011, 07:32:59 PM »
learn x86 ASM first, then you will know how it is really working  :devil

Assy was always good starter, especially for dyslexic  :D

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Re: Want to learn Coding
« Reply #53 on: September 16, 2011, 01:36:05 AM »
real men program in machine language.

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Re: Want to learn Coding
« Reply #54 on: September 16, 2011, 07:28:22 AM »
Assy was always good starter, especially for dyslexic  :D

Hmmm...  by any chance are you referring to the operand construct?

Did my first assy on 6502...  then had to write some inserted assy code in Turbo Pascal with x86...  the operators were backward!

Without getting into the classic apple vs. ms purse fight, I always wondered how much farther we'd be along if the 68000 had won the chip war over the 80x86.

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Re: Want to learn Coding
« Reply #55 on: September 16, 2011, 08:06:51 AM »
Well, are you posting from Linux?  Running AH on Linux?  As I said, it has its uses (mainly in real time systems) but to say you can do more on a linux box than you can do an a windows is just funny.  In either case, the thread is about writing code and that should be irrelevant to operating systems.  What is relevant, is taking everything else out of the equation to make it easier for someone new to focus on the programming task only.  So doing it in windows, a system that he is already familiar with, using tools with a familiar look and feel has to be the easiest way, no?

Telling a new guy to go install Linux, learn vi and use a command line compiler (should he rebuild the kernel a few times while at it?) is just ridiculous.  Where is he going to install it?  Have you ever made the mistake to try and install Linux on a laptop that came with windows on?  :lol  In my experience (and it is big) when questions like the OPs are answered with "install linux cause it is the best" the people are either clueless or just bragging about their mad command line Linux skillz.  A lot of times it is both.

My second post was directed to oneway: Is the laughable Linux is widely used in server business? Get over it.

I installed Ubunto to my IBM T41 laptop without problem.
It was very straight forward and didn't take long so, maybe you just did something plain wrong.

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Re: Want to learn Coding
« Reply #56 on: September 16, 2011, 08:44:22 AM »
actually you should give them a raise, especially if they have you convinced vi and vim are programming languages, they are obviously more intelligent than you are and you should do everything you can to keep them.

vim5 can be used in conjunction with a compiler to build code for a program but it is not a programming language like cobol, fortran, c, basic, java, python or even perl...just in case the difference was unclear.

Do I bring the idiot in you out or what?  :lol  WOW, thanks for the info bud.  Priceless  :old:
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Re: Want to learn Coding
« Reply #57 on: September 16, 2011, 08:49:12 AM »
I hope this helps bud.  Here is what he said:


Computer codin' in today's cornstruck attempps t'emulate life in refleckshun...it attempps t'refleck reality in an Objeck Oriented cornstruck...an' is hemmed in an' by th' stan'ards adopped by th' coders an' architecks who haf their finger in th' direckshun of thet particular language.

It is impostible t'address o' answer yer quesshun unless o' until yo' define yer objeckives an' th' language yo' wish t'accomplish them in, as enny fool kin plainly see.

Onooay

Thank goodness someone around here makes sense.
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Re: Want to learn Coding
« Reply #58 on: September 16, 2011, 08:50:06 AM »
OMG I snickered.
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Re: Want to learn Coding
« Reply #59 on: September 16, 2011, 08:50:50 AM »

It was very straight forward and didn't take long so, maybe you just did something plain wrong.


Yep, maybe I did.  In the end it was the non existent drivers for that hardware.  So, what is better for a new guy.  Dealing with all this or just diving in to programming without having to worry about OS/hardware issues, making mistakes, etc?  This is not a thread about what people prefer or what OS is better.  It is about how to get into programming the fastest and easiest way.  At list that is how I see it.

I still don;t have an answer on how you can do a lot more on Linux/Unix than in windows.  We have specific uses for it and it is the best at it (real time software).  If we are not doing that, we use windows.  Also, if anyone does take a shot at the question, keep in mind that you are giving advice to someone who is not even a programmer yet.  So, what more could he possibly do on Linux?  
Quote from: 2bighorn on December 15, 2010 at 03:46:18 PM
Dedalos pretty much ruined DA.