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Re: If you like Camaros or Mustangs....
« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2011, 05:33:06 PM »
my all-time favorite mustang is the 1971 Boss 351 mustang.



truly an amazing car. nothing can compare! :rock

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Re: If you like Camaros or Mustangs....
« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2011, 05:49:58 PM »
Im loving that redish purple T top Camaro!
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Re: If you like Camaros or Mustangs....
« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2011, 06:02:49 PM »
Sweet pics, thanks for the link.

CAP1 you are so lucky. From all I have read the 2012 GT is a monster in all respects. It has left the Challenger and the Camaro behind, but not for long I hope.

I am a Mustang owner but first I am a car nut. I hope GM and Chrysler take up the challenge thrown down by Ford.

Competition improves the breed.

Obviously mustang took up the challenge thrown down by camaro. The 2010 V6 camaro was putting down almost as much HP as the 2010 V8 mustang GT.

Now for 2012 the Camaro, LZ1

Here’s the latest salvo in the perpetual power and performance war: Chevy will top Ford’s 550-hp Shelby GT500 with a husky 580-hp—SAE-certified—supercharged and intercooled 6.2-liter V-8 when the Camaro ZL1 finally hits the street early next year as a 2012 model. To compensate for Ford’s cam and valve advantage, Chevy resorted to the classic expedient of an extra 0.8-liter of displacement over the Mustang's 5.4 liters, thereby achieving the upper hand in torque: 556 lb-ft at 4200 rpm versus the GT500’s 510 lb-ft at 4250 rpm. For the record, this new LSA small-block V-8 is the highest-caliber ammo ever loaded into any production Camaro by the factory.
Chevy’s evil intent goes beyond another volley at Ford. According to Camaro chief engineer Al Oppenheiser, the ZL1 also has supercar game in its sights. This street-legal, track-ready Camaro “has more power than a Ferrari 458 Italia, more torque than an Aston Martin DB9, and a power-to-weight ratio topping Porsche’s 911 Carrera GTS,” Oppenheiser crows.

While the LSA V-8 is a kid brother to the 556-hp engine that makes Cadillac’s CTS-V a genuine force to be reckoned with, engineering the Camaro ZL1 required much more than the usual underhood reboot. Before the dust settled, roughly one-third of the parts in the car were upgraded, replaced, or altered in some significant way. Unlike the aforementioned Shelby, this Chevy is ready to race around road courses or down the quarter-mile with no coolers, ducts, or special lubricants added by the owner. To satisfy both sort of racer, Chevy will offer the ZL1 with a choice of six-speed manual or automatic transmissions.
The ZL1’s visual distinctions are concentrated in the front. In addition to the humped and liberally ventilated hood, there’s a prominent splitter and a grille that’s opened up to usher in more engine and brake-cooling air. The belt-driven Eaton Twin Vortices Series (TVS) supercharger uses a pair of four-lobe rotors to deliver 1.9 liters of induction air per revolution. A massive filter supplies the blower with fresh air and the power steering has been changed to electric assist which consumes less engine power than hyrdaulic systems and eliminates the need for a belt-driven hydraulic pump cluttering the front of the engine.
A new Tremec TR-6060 MG9 six-speed transmission has a stronger output shaft, a more robust rear housing, and an additional mainshaft roller bearing to provide 30-percent more torque capacity than the manual transmission used in the Camaro SS. To improve shift quality, there are triple synchros in some gears and a revised linkage. A new dual-mass flywheel is bolted to a high-capacity twin-disc clutch.
The ZL1’s automatic is a Hydra-Matic 6L90 six-speed with additional clutch plates, a strengthened output shaft, and the extra planetary pinion gears needed to ensure survival in this trying assignment. The transmission is programmed with three operating modes. The normal Drive mode uses second-gear starts, quick upshifts in the interests of fuel economy, and temporary manual operation when a down-shift button is tapped or the lever is moved. The Sport mode ups the ante with first-gear starts, more aggressive gear changes, and shifts delayed to higher rpm. In Manual mode, there are no shifts until the driver commands one; gear changes are as fast as possible for maximum acceleration.

The ZL1’s rear axle includes a high-capacity cast-iron-case differential, massive asymmetrical half shafts, and extra-heavy-duty universal joints. To keep the lubricant temperature in line, there’s an oil-to-oil heat exchanger built into the bottom of the differential. Transmission fluid circulates through that heat exchanger and through the radiator to drop operating temps by more than 100 degrees Fahrenheit. In addition, the engine is fitted with the same oil-to-coolant heat exchanger used in the Corvette ZR1. Instead of the Corvette’s elaborate dry-sump lubrication system, the ZL1 has a deeper oil pan, a longer pickup, and a higher-capacity pump.
All chassis calibrations received their fair share of attention. Brembo calipers with six pistons per wheel in front and four pistons per wheel in back handle stopping. A duct system delivers air from the grille to the hard-working rotors. The 20-inch forged-aluminum wheels are fitted with second-generation Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar radials (285/35ZR-20 in front, 305/35ZR-20 in back). Damping is provided by Magnetic Ride Control units similar to those that Cadillac and Corvette have long used. Varying the current in electromagnetic coils alters the manner by which iron particles held in a synthetic fluid resist wheel and body motion. Now in its third design iteration, this system can sense the need for a damping correction 1000 times per second and make that change in only five milliseconds.
Another notable gift bestowed upon the Camaro is the use of the Performance Traction Management (PTM) system originally engineered for the Corvette ZR1. In addition to modulating engine torque for optimum launch performance in manual-equipped ZL1s, PTM also varies the traction control and suspension damping as needed. The five available modes are for wet, dry, sport with or without stability control, and race-driving conditions. Another Corvette hand-me-down is an active exhaust system that bypasses the more restrictive muffler passages during wide-open-throttle driving.
Development is not yet complete, so there are no weight, acceleration, top-speed, or gas-mileage figures to share. Nor has any pricing strategy been announced, but plan on paying a gas-guzzler tax if this Camaro is on your shopping list. Considering that the base price on Ford’s Shelby GT500 is $49,605, Chevy isn’t likely to charge less than $50K for this beast.
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Re: If you like Camaros or Mustangs....
« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2011, 06:38:27 PM »
If the customer let's them hold it a couple of more weeks it will be at our Camaro Nationals. There are folks coming from all over the US for that event. It is our second year for this event.

That in Houston? haven't heard about it but would bring mine out.

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Re: If you like Camaros or Mustangs....
« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2011, 07:29:00 PM »
last line on shuff's post......
base price of around $47,000 when it goes on sale next February. With the top-spec Camaro boasting an estimated 0-to-60-mph time of four seconds and hardware essentially swiped from the $64,340 Cadillac CTS-V, including its supercharged V-8 and adaptive magnetorheological shocks, a base price of under $50,000 seems like a pretty damn good deal. It’s unknown at this point whether the ZL1 price will include a gas-guzzler tax—it’s possible, since the CTS-V sticker includes a $1300 penalty—so you might want to budget for $48,500 or so when it’s time to sign on the dotted line. For comparison, the car’s natural arch rival, the Ford Mustang Shelby GT500, costs $49,495, and it doesn’t get hit with a thirst tariff.

from....http://blog.caranddriver.com/2012-chevrolet-camaro-zl1-base-price-around-47000/

i'm sure the shelby'll handle it.  :devil
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Re: If you like Camaros or Mustangs....
« Reply #20 on: September 14, 2011, 07:41:15 PM »
 Shuff sat in my first new camaro today,they had 1 at the fair on display so I helped myself to a seat. I liked the driving position and layout but found that it was near impossible to see out the back without the side mirrors,a shame too because I imagine you'd want to see the other guys headlights shining in the back window!! :rofl :rofl :rofl  That Zl1  sounds like a beast but up here I'd need 4 wheel drive.






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Re: If you like Camaros or Mustangs....
« Reply #21 on: September 14, 2011, 07:53:30 PM »
Visibility is a big drawback for the Camaro. All the reviews I read and watched on the tube mention it.

I have yet to sit in a new Camaro.






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Re: If you like Camaros or Mustangs....
« Reply #22 on: September 14, 2011, 08:41:18 PM »
Shuff sat in my first new camaro today,they had 1 at the fair on display so I helped myself to a seat. I liked the driving position and layout but found that it was near impossible to see out the back without the side mirrors,a shame too because I imagine you'd want to see the other guys headlights shining in the back window!! :rofl :rofl :rofl  That Zl1  sounds like a beast but up here I'd need 4 wheel drive.






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you don't need to see out the back because the other cars are in front of you :) 

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Re: If you like Camaros or Mustangs....
« Reply #23 on: September 14, 2011, 08:52:07 PM »
Visibility is a big drawback for the Camaro. All the reviews I read and watched on the tube mention it.

I have yet to sit in a new Camaro.







same here.

 although i didn't drive my friends as yet, i was sitting in the drivers seat. the windshield looks like looking through a small slit of glass. most likely due to the rake.
 the seat was VERY comfortable. i liked the way it felt like it kind of "hugged" me in position. i wasn't too fond of the steering wheel setup. the shifter was in a nice position, and although his is a 6 banger, it has the rally pack(i think that's what chevy calls it) of 4 gauges down on the center console just in front of the shifter, much like the 69 z's. i like those a LOT.
 seeing out the side windows wasn't happening too well, and the back window may as well have not been there.

 he's already put flowmasters on it, and it sounds friggin GREAT. when he popped the hood for me to look underneath, i was kinda surprised at how much room's under there. his, being a 2010, still has belt driven power steering.(i noted that shuff;s post said the zl1 goes to electric power assist).

 to be honest, this car looks a LOT better up close, than it does going down the road. as you approach it, the lines come out. from a distance, it's hard to see some of them.  i still can't stand the back end of these. the tail lights look like the designer had an "oops" moment, and forgot to put tail lights in it, and grabbed the first thing he saw on the shelf.....those being pseudo corvette lights. they don't look right back there.
 that's ok though, as i'll not have much worry of ever seeing one from that angle.  :devil :joystick:

 as i said, when i get to drive it, i'll put something up here.
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Re: If you like Camaros or Mustangs....
« Reply #24 on: September 14, 2011, 08:52:46 PM »
you don't need to see out the back because the other cars are in front of you :) 

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Re: If you like Camaros or Mustangs....
« Reply #25 on: September 14, 2011, 09:20:35 PM »
hhmm....i had thought hennesy only worked with chevys......looks like they do fords too......
http://www.muscularmustangs.com/2011/news0575_hennessey_boss_302_packages.php

although, there's another shop, i think they're local, that got nearly 800hp from a boss302 with only the addition of an intercooled supercharger.
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Re: If you like Camaros or Mustangs....
« Reply #26 on: September 14, 2011, 11:02:48 PM »
That in Houston? haven't heard about it but would bring mine out.

Yes it is on the west side.
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Re: If you like Camaros or Mustangs....
« Reply #27 on: September 14, 2011, 11:08:55 PM »
same here.

 although i didn't drive my friends as yet, i was sitting in the drivers seat. the windshield looks like looking through a small slit of glass. most likely due to the rake.
 the seat was VERY comfortable. i liked the way it felt like it kind of "hugged" me in position. i wasn't too fond of the steering wheel setup. the shifter was in a nice position, and although his is a 6 banger, it has the rally pack(i think that's what chevy calls it) of 4 gauges down on the center console just in front of the shifter, much like the 69 z's. i like those a LOT.
 seeing out the side windows wasn't happening too well, and the back window may as well have not been there.

 he's already put flowmasters on it, and it sounds friggin GREAT. when he popped the hood for me to look underneath, i was kinda surprised at how much room's under there. his, being a 2010, still has belt driven power steering.(i noted that shuff;s post said the zl1 goes to electric power assist).

 to be honest, this car looks a LOT better up close, than it does going down the road. as you approach it, the lines come out. from a distance, it's hard to see some of them.  i still can't stand the back end of these. the tail lights look like the designer had an "oops" moment, and forgot to put tail lights in it, and grabbed the first thing he saw on the shelf.....those being pseudo corvette lights. they don't look right back there.
 that's ok though, as i'll not have much worry of ever seeing one from that angle.  :devil :joystick:

 as i said, when i get to drive it, i'll put something up here.

You better get used to the back of a camaro as your going to see that a lot. I know your all excited about a couple of HP and your stang. 
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Re: If you like Camaros or Mustangs....
« Reply #28 on: September 15, 2011, 02:52:50 AM »
Don't be hating on the Camaro's they're great cars for women :)

I thought all cars were for women...  :neener:



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Re: If you like Camaros or Mustangs....
« Reply #29 on: September 15, 2011, 05:47:12 AM »
My first car was a black 77 camaro.  It was a dog, but looks good.  Second car was a 10th 79 Trans am.  Then about 19 years later, I bought a new white 97 Formula.  Never owned a mustang, but many of my friends had some very fast stangs.
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