HE177

[olds442]

i mean please its a german BOMBA......

Technical Data

Origin: Ernst Heinkel AG, also built by Arado Flugzeugwerke.
Type: He177, six seat heavy-bomber and missle carrier
Engines: Two 2,950hp Daimler-Benz DB 610A-1/B-1, each comprising two inverted-vee-12 liquid-cooled engines geared to one propellor.
Dimensions: Span 103ft 1 3/4 in (31.44m); length 72ft 2in (22m); height 21ft (6.4m)
Weights: Empty 37,038lb (16,800kg); loaded (A-5) 68,343lb (31,000kg)
Performance: Maximum speed (at 41,000lb) 295mph (472 km/h); initial climb 853ft (260m)/min; service ceiling 26,500ft (7080m); range with FX or Hs293 missles (no bombs) about 3,107 miles (5000km)
Armament: (A-5/R-2) one 7.92mm MG 81J manually aimed in nose, one MG131 in forward dorsal turret, one MG 131 in rear dorsal turret, one MG 151 manually aimed in the tail and two MG 81 or one MG 131 manually aimed at rear of gondola; maximum internal bombload 13,200lb (6000kg), seldom carried. External load: two Hs293 guided missiles, FX 1400 guided bombs, mines or torpedoes (more if internal bay blanked off and racks added below it.)
Users: Germany (Luftwaffe)



                                                            

                                                            
                                            
                                              
                                                              
                                                
                                                              
                                                              
                                                              

                                                              

[Karnak]

It was a complete piece of junk.  Arguably the worst aircraft program of WWII to actually reach production.

The Ju188 or Do217 would make much better additions.

They are also German bombers.

[skorpion]

the HE-111 would be a much better choice over the HE-177. the 177 was a flying metal deathtrap. it sucked so bad a male stripper would look at it and say "damn!"


-1 to HE-177
+1 to a HE-111

[Raphael]

HE111

[icepac]

If karnak had his way, aces high would only have 4 airplanes.

[Karnak]

If karnak had his way, aces high would only have 4 airplanes.

Have you ever seen the lists I suggested in the past?

If I had my way we'd have dozens more than if we went with the "This looks powerful" crowd.  Point here, he suggested one airplane, I suggested two better ones.

[Tyrannis]

If karnak had his way, aces high would only have 4 airplanes.

Change that "only have 4 airplanes" to "only have british&german airplanes" and you'd be correct.


come at me Karnak. 

[TwinBoom]

aside from special events or early war arena he111 will be a hanger queen

ju188 or do217 would be better fits

[pangea]

Change that "only have 4 airplanes" to "only have british&german airplanes" and you'd be correct.


come at me Karnak. 

I respectully disagree.  Karnak has advocated for more Japanese, Russian and Italian aircraft on many occasions.  I do not always agree with Karnak, but he does present well thought out arguments regarding his opinions on what should or should not be added to the game.

[icepac]

Have you ever seen the lists I suggested in the past?

If I had my way we'd have dozens more than if we went with the "This looks powerful" crowd.  Point here, he suggested one airplane, I suggested two better ones.

I was kidding............I guess I could have put a smiley face to ack as a form of internet mentos but I don't believe in emoticons.

Next time I will just say......"kidding" at the end.

[Karnak]

Change that "only have 4 airplanes" to "only have british&german airplanes" and you'd be correct.


come at me Karnak. 

That is also an odd accusation as I have advocated very strongly for Japanese aircraft.  In fact, my preferences when playing are British and Japanese fighters.  I generally don't advocate for American or German aircraft due to the dominance in their plane sets.  I also don't advocate for British aircraft much in the last five years or so for the same reason.  I do think we need more Russian and Japanese aircraft, as well as a few Italian and French aircraft.

What I focus on though are gap fillers and things that actually played a significant role in WWII.  Given the choice of the He177A-5, G.55 and Re.2005 I would pick the He177A-5 as it was more significant than the other two combined, but I wouldn't like that list of choices.

Things that I would like to see:

A-26 American For MA use
B6N2 Japanese Gap filler
B-17E or B-17F American Gap filler
Beaufighter Mk VI British Gap filler
Beaufighter Mk 21 British Gap filler, MA use
Bf109G-6/AS German Gap filler
Blenheim Mk I British Gap filler
C.200 Italian Gap filler
CR.42 Italian Gap filler
D4Y1 or D4Y2 Japanese Gap filler, MA use
D.520 French Gap filler
DB-3B Russian Gap filler
Do217E-2 German Gap filler, MA use
Fw190A-2 German Gap filler
G.50 Italian Gap filler
G.55 Italian MA use
H8K2 Japanese Gap filler, MA use
Hawk 75 French Gap filler
He111H-6 German Gap filler
I-153 Russian Gap filler
J2M3 Japanese Gap filler
J2M5 Japanese MA use
Ju-52 German Gap filler
Ju87G-1 German MA use
Ju88G-7 German MA use
Ju188A-1 German Gap filler, MA use
Ki-43-I Japanese Gap filler
Ki-43-II Japanese Gap filler
Ki-43-III Japanese Gap filler, MA use
Ki-44-II Japanese Gap filler, MA use
Ki-45 Japanese Gap filler
Ki-61-I Japanese Gap filler
Ki-61-I-Ko Japanese Gap filler
Ki-61-II or Ki-100 Japanese MA use
LaGG-3 Russian Gap filler
La-5 Russian Gap filler
Me410A or Me410B German MA use
MiG-3 Russian Gap filler
Mosquito Mk II British Gap filler
Mosquito Mk IV British Gap filler
Mosquito Mk 30 British MA use
N1K1-J Japanese Gap filler, MA use
P-61B American MA use
PBY-5 American Gap filler
Pe-2 Russian Gap filler
Pe-2FT Russian Gap filler
Pe-2B Russian Gap filler, MA use
SB2C American MA use
Seafire Mk III British Gap filler, MA use
SM.79-II Italian Gap filler
Sunderland Mk III British Gap filler, MA use
TBD American Gap filler
Tu-2 Russian Gap filler, MA use
Wellington Mk III British Gap filler
Yak-1 Russian Gap filler
Yak-3 Russian Gap filler, MA use
Yak-7 Russian Gap filler

Obviously this laundry list is a pipe dream, so like everyone else I try to suggest what I think are the most important additions.

Common requests I do not include on my list:

Battle - Disaster in WWII, B5N2 is an excellent stand in
Defiant - Utter disaster in WWII, almost useless in AH
Fw200 - Long range patrol bomber, low use in AH and very weak
Halifax - Too similar to the Lancaster
He177A-5 - Utter disaster in WWII, would be good to excellent in AH
Stirling - Failure in WWII, Wellington works better to cover that time
Swordfish - Sank more tonnage of shipping than any other Allied torpedo bomber. Yay!  In AH it would be useful only for scenarios where it had no opposition.  B5N2 is a decent stand in.

[skorpion]

karnak, you forgot the StuG III and the SU-100.

 

[Karnak]

karnak, you forgot the StuG III and the SU-100.

 

I don't do GVs. 

[skorpion]

I don't do GVs. 

then you dont know how to have fun

[dirt911]

then you dont know how to have fun

Agreed.